You forgot "Human Urine speed flow measurist"

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Very Nice Jay

What has this chap been smoking?! I don't know a lot about rocketry and Apollo, but, please, just look at the crew Stanley used in "2001" - over 200 people there, for Heaven's sake! Did the CIA kill all of them as well? But wait for 30 years to allow the secret to get loose? (and thus have no reason to kill them)? Sheesh. Common sense not obviously matey's strong suit.

Some of them, like Douglas Trumball, went on to have a major career in special effects for movies and TV, and even made movies in their own right.

Jon

We replaced the real Trumbull with an android.

Oops! Did I just let that slip by?!

That's the thing. When you get to special and visual effects of that caliber, the people who know how to do it all know each other. They can't just disappear. The same is true of any highly specialized skill. Once you get to the best of the best, there may be only a handful of people in the whole world who move in that circle. So you can't just "eliminate" them.

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Clavius Moon Base

CBC Newsworld will be broadcasting The Dark Side of the Moon this Sunday at 10 pm (eastern). It's listed under Passionate Eye Showcase.

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Almost. That accusation is just vague enough to not be specifically implicating anyone in murder, merely the vague accusation that someone in the government was responsible. In fact, it's not altogether clear that Green knows anything about Clavius other than it exists, and seems to think Clavius is either Richard Hoagland, agents from NASA's wing of the CIA, or somehow simultaneously both.

I note that Clavius doesn't actually mention anywhere who in fact is the owner and author. While we here know it is primarily (?) Jay Windley, that is not mentioned at Clavius. So there is at least some justification for Green not knowing who is behind Clavius.

Of course Jay could just be that wing of NASA's CIA agents. But I doubt he's Richard Hoagland.

I don't know about you, but I've never seen Jay and Hoagland in the same room together. Smells like a conspiracy to me. :-$

How about it, Jay? Seen any good Howitzers on Mars lately? :P

I don't think that would be an inferiority complex, but more inline with a persecution complex. Just a little nit-picking to pass the time.

You mean 'that CBC documentary that few, if any, people reading this will be able to think of because I neglected to mention the name of it', right?


I'm just going to lump this Mr. Green into the group of people who I feel don't honestly believe the tripe they're pushing. There's no one example that makes me think this, though -- it's really more of a gut feeling. He just doesn't write like he believes what he's saying. Rather, I get the impression he's just playing up to a group of people he knows will listen to him.

In short, he reminds me of a guy I know...

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LOL! I just watched that CBC "documentary" he mentioned. I guess he missed the part between the end and the running of the credits, where it is mentioned that the "documentary" is actually a "mockumentary" (their word). During the credits they also show outtakes from filming including flubbed lines, scripts being passed to get the "lines" right and comments from many of those interviewed, mentioning the fun they had making "documentary".

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Reminds me of a quote about MM's F911.

"First came the Documentry, then came the Mockumentary. Now Micheal Moore has invented the Crockumentary."

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

if i were Mr. Green (which thankfully i am not) i'd be eating my own hat by now for making such a foolish mistake about Dark Side of the Moon.... =D>

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I don't care if he eats his hat. I just want him to correct the misconception he has created in the minds of his readers. William Karel, the director of Dark Side of the Moon told his viewers at the end that his program was not to be taken seriously. But when someone like Wayne Green purports to summarize the program for his readers, and he leaves out that disclaimer, it creates a whole new experience. Green's readers will go away thinking a documentary exists in which high-level government officials admit to the hoax. They don't have the benefit of hearing the disclaimer and deciding what to do with what they've seen.

Go to Green's blog now. His protest at having been "attacked" has drifted down the list, to be replaced with articles that amount to, "Buy my books, buy my books, buy my books." Not only does Mr. Green like to research and write about things that interest his readers, as he claims, he likes to charge them money for half-baked research that leaves out the most important parts of the original sources. Why does Mr. Green get to make money by misleading people while the rest of us have to suffer accusations for correcting him?

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Clavius Moon Base

One word answer? Morals. Appearently Mr. Green doesn't have any.

Funny, nobody in this thread has yet commented on what has to be the single biggest insult in the entire rant -- the guy accuses Jay of being Hoagland!



There's a very strange sort of irony in that.

no discussion there, Jay, i agree that this person is dangerous in that he may lead people to do irreversible things on account of his talk.

what surprises me is that people like him, who are easily identifiable can continue to spout this nonsense. in this country someone wilfully distorting information in this way, would be corrected most unkindly by the authorities.

now even if there is something like free speech in the US, that doesn't mean you are free to distort the truth are you?

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Pssst, calliarcale,

Unca Wayne's rants in 73 are legendary among the ham community, but they were tolerated because of the information in the rest of the magazine. For me, the summertime antenna issue was always looked forward to because of the ingenuity of some of the designs there (a directional antenna made out of a broken tape measure, for example). I've still got some portable throw-a-rope-in-the-tree specials in boxes in the back room...open wire feed and some Slinky coils...you'd be surprised how well that works...

But Wayne started going off the deep end a few years ago...for me, it was over when he began pontificating about curing AIDS by running an electric current through the body...

If he'd have stuck to the pure water'n'vegetables routine, he'd probably still have a goodly following among us radio types.

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