Wayne Green's response to Clavius.org, attacks webmaster!!

MrLen · #1 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 04:07 AM

In his blog (Wayne's World) at his web site www.waynegreen.com
entry for 7/4/04 Wayne Green attacks Clavius.org , which has a page devoted to debunking Wayne's claims from his blog that the moon landings were a hoax...Wayne of course has totally lost it and is a full blown woo woo
you must read this..here is the full entry I quote verbatim below...If it is deleted for rule violation simply go to Wayne's site as above and read it there.
Come on guys lets e mail Wayne and defend Jay!

7/04/04
Nerve Struck

Gee, I’ve been attacked, complete with name calling. I’m flattered. Someone, a.k.a. Clavius, says I’m ignorant. Hey, I’m the first to admit that there are an almost infinite number of things of which I am ignorant. But, ignorance is bliss…right? Gee, there must be a lot of blissful people.
Well, Bliss may be an exaggeration, but I’m basically a very happy person. I get great joy from listening to classical music. The beauty of the wild flowers in the field across from the house moves me to tears of happiness. There’s the joy of reading a good book. And the thrill of charging full tilt down a ski slope. I’m in bliss when I get phone calls from people I’ve helped change their lives. The excitement of visiting new places and doing new things. The beauty of Edward Hopper’s paintings. The taste of raw fruits for breakfast and a big bowl of fresh salad for dinner.
And, oh, how I enjoy researching and writing about things I think will be of interest to others.
I’m a sharing person. I love people and want to share the things I enjoy with as many as I can. That’s why I have so much fun being a guest on talk shows and in doing my weekly TV show. That way I can share the exciting things I’ve discovered.
Clavius’ many arguments give me the impression this is the work of a NASA disinformation agent. Or else he hasn’t bothered to read Dark Moon by Percy, which shows Clavius is full of…err…Moon dust. Or René’s NASA Mooned America. The wording seems strangely like that of Richard C. Hoagland. Hey, Dick, cut the “C” stuff and join us out front people as Dick or Rick Hoagland. My birth certificate says I’m Wayne Sanger Green II. That’s Wayne Green to you. Preferably just Wayne. I don’t have an inferiority complex to compensate for.
Sanger is a family name. My great grandfather Thaddius E. Sanger was the town doctor in my home town of Littleton (NH). He was a homeopathic pioneer. Figures.
Clav also hasn’t apparently yet gotten an eyeful of the testimony by Henry Kissenger, Alexander Haig, Lawrence Eagleberger, and General Dick Walters (CIA head) and Richard Helms on the CBC documentary where they talk about how the supposed Moon films were actually shot by Stanley Kubrick in his studios near London. He used a small crew to do it and then, at Nixon’s request, the CIA killed them…including Kubrick…to protect the secret. The documentary has an interview with Kubrick’s widow.
On the bright side, I much prefer Clav’s attacking me via the Web rather than giving me a heart attack, the way it looks like they did to Brian Welch and a few other trouble-makers.

The Bad Astronomer · #2 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 04:09 AM

Yeah, Jay hasn't read Percy's stuff. :roll:

I'll discuss Green on C2C on Monday. The CBC broadcast he refers to, isn't that the satirical one designed to show how foolish conspriacy theories are?

It makes me wonder if guys like Green are serious or not. The problem with people like Percy, Sibrel, McCanney and the like: they are self-satirizing.

MrLen · #3 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 04:17 AM

not having seen the CBC documentary Wayne refers to I can't say..perhaps the Canadian members of the board here can enlighten us..
Regardless, Mighty BA I am so glad to hear you will finally be responding to Wayne on the air!!! Best regards..

PhantomWolf · #4 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Astronomer

I'll discuss Green on C2C on Monday.

What time and where can we listen is we're non-US?

Lycus · #5 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

What time and where can we listen is we're non-US?

Here ya go:

http://www.cfun.com/listenlive.asp

11:00 pm Pacific Time

LunarOrbit · #6 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 04:52 AM

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Clav also hasn’t apparently yet gotten an eyeful of the testimony by Henry Kissenger, Alexander Haig, Lawrence Eagleberger, and General Dick Walters (CIA head) and Richard Helms on the CBC documentary where they talk about how the supposed Moon films were actually shot by Stanley Kubrick in his studios near London.

Obviously Mr. Green is unaware that the CBC "documentary" was in fact a lesson in critical thinking. It was full of clues that it wasn't to be taken seriously. For example, it showed someone speaking in Russian but put the caption "Former CIA director" at the bottom of the screen. Why would a Russian be the director of the CIA during the Cold War?

It was supposed to make the audience realize that you can't believe everything you see on TV, but I guess Wayne Green didn't catch on.

ktesibios · #7 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Astronomer

It makes me wonder if guys like Green are serious or not. The problem with people like Percy, Sibrel, McCanney and the like: they are self-satirizing.

Serious or no, he doesn't seem to be much on reading comprehension or on organizing an argument.

Clavius takes seven specific claims made by Green and addresses-and refutes- each one individually, complete with links to more detailed explanations where necessary.

Green responds with some glittering generalities, a dollop of character assassination and a reference to a TV program which is so vague that some of our fellow BABBers had to dig into their memories to fill in just what it is that he's talking about.

Of actually addressing Clavius' objections to his claims I don't see a trace.

I'll be listening to the C2C Webcast Monday. This oughta be good. :wink:

Glom · #8 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 12:02 PM

And when in doubt, accuse the opposition of being a disinformation agent for the conspiracy.

That's a trick that I intend to really attack on the FreedomForFission website.

JayUtah · #9 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 08:53 PM

The CBC broadcast he refers to, isn't that the satirical one designed to show how foolish conspriacy theories are?

Yes, it is. The Dark Side of the Moon. It is specifically revealed as a farce at the end.

It makes me wonder if guys like Green are serious or not.

Yes and no. He is serious about finding fodder to talk about on his radio shows because that gives him the ego boost he seeks. But I gather he intends to remain below the radar, so to speak. Once he is challenged by legitimate authority, he changes the subject and tries to poison the well.

The simple fact is that Mr. Green has made charges that suggest a scientific proof, but he has neglected to provide correct science. He has claimed that his knowledge is "considerable", though he has not demonstrated it.

I fail to see where I have called him any name he should despise. I called him "truth seeker", but that's what he calls himself. He can hardly object to that. I said he was "like most misinformed conspiracy theorists," and you can argue that the indirection is tantamount to a direct reference. He is a conspiracy theorist; he advocates a conspiracy theory. He is misinformed, and I show why.

N C More · #10 (**permalink**) 03-July-2004, 10:42 PM

Well, Wayne Green may be packing more "fire power" (ie the picture of him with his guns) but Jay is packing more "brain power"! My money's on Jay to "blow away"any arguments Mr. Green can muster.

JayUtah · #11 (**permalink**) 04-July-2004, 01:45 AM

If Mr. Green is relying unquestioningly on the works of Mr. Percy and Mr. Rene, I can assure you he will be unable to bring up many arguments we haven't already seen before.

The Bad Astronomer · #12 (**permalink**) 04-July-2004, 02:41 AM

I had forgotten, too, that pseudoscientist extraordinaire James McCanney also thinks the landings were faked. If you go to his website (the ironically named jmccanneyscience.com) and search on "moon" or "radiation" you'll find it. I wish these guys would settle on one dumb conspiracy theory at a time!

I'd love to hear McCanney, Green, Booth, and Hoagland all be on C2C at the same time.

jumbo · #13 (**permalink**) 05-July-2004, 10:23 AM

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Richard Helms on the CBC documentary where they talk about how the supposed Moon films were actually shot by Stanley Kubrick in his studios near London. He used a small crew to do it and then, at Nixon’s request, the CIA killed them…including Kubrick…to protect the secret.

If this is the same kubrick as i think, the CIA takes its time protecting its secrets, given Stanley Kubrick died in 1999. Did it take nearly 30 years to silence the rest of the film crew???
About the only thing that blog entry has in its favour seems to be that it doesn`t accuse nasa of not trying to go to the moon because the area 51 greys said so!

PhantomWolf · #14 (**permalink**) 05-July-2004, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Astronomer

I'll discuss Green on C2C on Monday.

**** RED ALERT ****

BA if you be taking calls tonight on C2C, you'd better be ready for some woo² ones

You've been outed on GLP. #-o

GLP Thread

The Bad Astronomer · #15 (**permalink**) 05-July-2004, 05:41 PM

Heh. I was ready to reply in that thread, but why bother? It just encourages all the ACs to make really intelligent comments about my nick. Sigh. :roll:

JayUtah · #16 (**permalink**) 05-July-2004, 05:46 PM

I don't see much reason to engage the GLP folks. I try to avoid people that seem to be devoid of any connection whatsoever to reality.

Grand_Lunar · #17 (**permalink**) 05-July-2004, 09:39 PM

I checked out the link to GLP.
Am I the only one who felt physical digust at the site? Very childish people there, with lousy emoticons (lousy in content that is).
By the way, who IS this Green fellow anyway?

N C More · #18 (**permalink**) 05-July-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand_Lunar

By the way, who IS this Green fellow anyway?

From what I gather he's one of those people who claim to know literally everything and is willing to sell you books and videos imparting his "knowledge and wisdom" there of.

This letter posted on the Rense site sort of gives one a flavor for who Wayne Green is.

TriangleMan · #19 (**permalink**) 05-July-2004, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand_Lunar

By the way, who IS this Green fellow anyway?

MrLen could probably tell you more. He follows the antics of Wayne Green and his cohorts (David Booth . . .etc) closely.