Just read his book, great read!

He mentions that when he was in Apollo 10 and he came round the backside of the Moon in Snoppy separated from Charlie Brown, how Madrid tracked THE TWO space craft.

I'd like to know how the HB's think they faked that.

Also if Madrid tracked them, I'm sure the Soviets did as well.

If you haven't read the book, then do so. It's not very technical, just a good story.

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I just finished "Failure is not an Option" by Gene Kranz. That was great. Even though I knew the outcome of most of the missions, I couldn't put it down. It was pretty exciting to hear how Missiom Control dealt with all of the problems that the world never really heard about.
Is Cernan's book about only his flights, or the whole time he spent as an astronaut?

Cernan's book is much like the other memoirs from notable Apollo participants. It's an autobiography, but with greater detail on his flights. Despite some exaggerations, it's a fun read. I especially enjoyed his account of his Gemini spacewalk.

Has anyone else read Deke Slayton's autobiography (which is entitled "Deke!", strangely enough [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] )? Great read. I've always been a great admirerer of how Slayton dealt with getting pulled from flight status just weeks before his Mercury mission and continued to do the best job he could for the program. Highly recommended!

On the tracking issue.

We paid off Russia with wheat. I think we paid off Spain by letting them join NATO in the mid-1970's and of course giving them all sorts of military aid that goes with joining.

See there's always a way to create a hoax path.

I have liked all the books mentioned so far. I also liked Chris Kraft's book and Mike Collins' book too. In Collins book he talks about radiation exposure, but of course the HB folks won't listen to that.



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I'm about 2/3 of the way through Gene Kranz's book. The book I read before it was Cernan's. I like them both. And don't forget Andrew Chaiken's "A Man on the Moon". This was the book that HBO and Tom Hanks made into the "From the Earth to the Moon" series.

I like reading the different accounts or different perspectives of the same events. And as technical and "cool, calm, and military" as Kranz is, he lets off some funny ones. Cernan was obviously a partier. He liked to rub elbows with big wigs.

And yes, Cernan's account of his EVA I found riveting. Ed White didn't quite let on how much difficulty he actually had on his historic first walk.

When I can get through with Kranz, it's on to "Bad Astronomy" (I'm such a slow reader).

Hey "pvtpylot", thanks. I'll have to check out Slayton's book. You're right, he could have been bitter and quit. But he went on to become instrumental to the program.


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If we're offering book recommendations, a must-read is Collins' Carrying the Fire. It is the crown jewel of astronaut memoirs. I just picked up Reynolds' Apollo: The Epic Journey to the Moon. Very nice illustrations.

Loved Reynolds' book as well! Almost as pretty visually as Al Bean's "Apollo : An Eyewitness Account By Astronaut/Explorer/Artist/Moonwalker ". Haven't picked up Collins' book yet, though it's in my never seeming to shrink "to read" que. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Move Collins' book to the head of the queue. It's worth it.

I think that's a good enough recommendation. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] "Carrying the Fire" is next, right after "Core Java Fundamentals" <sigh>

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right after "Core Java Fundamentals"
Some one actually studying "Planned Ob's" hmm?
Oh begin at the end, on the last page, past me the .jpg of the BAR maid. i mean Made? Meed?

Did anyone know about Neil Armstrong's book First on the Moon?

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I think the amazom reviews give you only an average idea about what the book is about. While it was written by the Apollo 11 crew, they had help from two ghost writers, Gene Farmer and Dora Jane Hamblin. I haven't looked at this book in a couple of years, but I remember it being a pretty good book. I still think Collins' book Carrying the Fire is better.

This book pops up fairly frequently on ebay for 10-15$ and I've found it still in a lot of libraries.

This is tangentially related to this thread...

I just finished reading Jules Verne's "From the Earth to the Moon" and "Round the Moon" again. The interesting thing I find is that much of the "science" reminds me of the HB arguments.....

Much of what Verne had to say was rooted in accepted "facts" of the time (though much of it was wrong even by mid 19th century standards).

I find it interesting that the HBs are stuck in the 19th century.

CJSF

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Two years ago moved from my town
I was looking up past the city lights
But the city lights got in my way

See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

-from "See The Constellation"
by They Might Be Giants

Expect to finish that, last one, pretty fast, I Blew through it, in Two Days!

BTW, doesn't Gene Cernan, Think that he Saw a UFO, While in Earth-Orbit, No Less?

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Here's a link that's provides a hugh list of Apollo books. It's a bit dated, since it was composed for the Apollo 11 30th anniversary.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...ooksbiblio.htm

The book First on the Moon is for sale now on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2116888226

"What's it going to take to get people to dream again, to realize they can once again do the impossible?" Eugene Cernan, Man on the Moon. http://www.space.com/peopleinterview...rs_010601.html

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"Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied."

Maybe I'm a little slow this morning - What was the point you were trying to make in this post????

You people are all dreaming. It's Impossible to go to the Moon.

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"Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied."

Of course, it's impossible to go to the Moon. You need to fly there with a huge Saturn V.

Harald

Thats what I thought you ment - You of course can provide us with poof.

And please do not forget Hamish Lindsay´s book "Tracking Apollo to the Moon":



Courtesy of John Saxon, a close friend of Hamish, you can read the entire chapter on Apollo 11 here:

http://www.pcug.org.au/~jsaxon/space/book/Apollo11.htm

You people are all dreaming. It's Impossible to go to the Moon.

That's quite obviously not what Cernan is trying to say. Why would he claim it's impossible to go to the moon while at the same time claiming he's one of the ones who did it? The literary device Cernan is employing is called "hyperbole". Look it up.

I'm not impressed by your vague handwaving and your strained and stilted interpretation of quotes you rip from their contexts. I'm an engineer. If you say it's impossible to reach the moon then I want hard data that shows just how and why it's impossible.

Can you provide that? If so, then provide it. If not, then you don't know what you're talking about.

Using the same Technology which created the Space Stations, a Lunar Craft of any size can be assembled in Low Earth Orbit.

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What is your point?

Looter - If you have somthing to say, please say it!

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This statement in no way satisfies the demand for substantive evidence to support your claim that going to the moon was impossible.

Using the same Technology which created the Space Stations, a Lunar Craft of any size can be assembled in Low Earth Orbit.

I agree. What's your point?

What's the point of actually going to the Moon when you can just stay here on earth and "prove" that you've been there?

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"Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied."

What's the point of actually going to the Moon when you can just stay here on earth and "prove" that you've been there?

Looter, what you're doing is nothing that approaches rational and intelligent discussion. You're simply hurling invective without paying any attention to what is said in return. What is your purpose for posting here?