I am one of the lucky ones to know that people who have conspiracy theories about the Government, the Military, and NASA are 'plants' by the Government. Either brainwashed or paid off. Think about it. What better way to regain interest in going back to the Moon and profit from it at the same time. Nobody wants to go back to the Moon. We've been there already but if the Government could gain something from it? What a great way to not only get the public to want to go back. A good number would be demanding it. The Government would love to make tons of money off of the Moon and they could do it. All they need is enough gullible people to say "We should go to the Moon". It's like the U.F.O.'s at 'Area 51'. There are no such craft there but what a great way to put fear into the minds of the mimions. Poeple think they have access to 'Alien' technology. Other countries must believe this too. That's just what they want you to believe. If you think for a second that an adversary has 'Alien' technology. You keep your distance. It's all a ruse to give the Government an edge. So, we didn't go to the Moon? Ok, I'll play along. Maybe we should start going to the Moon. Maybe strip-mine it or build hotels for tourists or maybe even a military base. You know, so we can prove that we are capable of going there. Remember, when you start to believe that we actually went to the Moon. Take another dose of your mind control drugs and call it a 'hoax'.

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Welcome to the BABB. You do have some interesting ideas

How did you come by this knowledge and what form does it take?

How would "The Government" make tons of money off of the moon?

I gotta think that if any other countries believed this they would publicly challenge "The Government".

Wait, I thought if I believed the Moon missions were part of "The Government" conspiracy then I was mind controlled. I guess we're all mind controlled.

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Paying off people or brainwashing them would be unnecessarily complex, expensive and you have the possibility of someone finding out about it. Its easier just to arrange for example that someone in the media makes a joke about the moon landing being made on a movie set. This joke will in susceptible people spawn a viral idea, and these people, not recognizing it as a meme virus, will spread it further...

But then, I can't see that this idea really would benefit the government much at all...

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Forest. I will speculate that you didn't read too much of this website or this bulliten board before posting, given that this is likely to be quite the lead balloon to the folk here. In any event Welcome aboard.
Now to business.

I am one of the lucky ones to know that people who have conspiracy theories about the Government, the Military, and NASA are 'plants' by the Government. Either brainwashed or paid off.
Not me. I have a lifetime supply of tinfoil hats. I only drink pure grain alcohol and rainwater. :roll:

Think about it.
Do I have to? Oh Very well. Read on.

Nobody wants to go back to the Moon.
Well, SOME of us do. 99.9% of the denizens of this board for example.

We've been there already but if the Government could gain something from it?
Such as?


What a great way to not only get the public to want to go back.
Umm, no. The hoax movement has done next to nothing in spurring a return to the moon. NASA just tried to put out a book to quell what little noise there was on the subject, and the resulting ridicule shelved it in a hurry. I can just see NASA being howled off the stage if they announced a return to the moon to shut up the twinkies.

A good number would be demanding it.
Didn't see a whole lot of picketers in front of JSC or KSC on the news last night. Anyone else?

The Government would love to make tons of money off of the Moon and they could do it.
If enough companies were able to make a suffcient profit to make taxing it worthwhile, they would already be there.

All they need is enough gullible people to say "We should go to the Moon".
Why do they need to be gullible? A return to the moon to stay this time would have benefits form the resulting technologies that gullibility need not be a factor.

It's like the U.F.O.'s at 'Area 51'. There are no such craft there but what a great way to put fear into the minds of the mimions.
Yeah. I just quake in my boots about the fear of the UFO's there. Yep, lots of talk around the coffee machine is how scared we are of the stuff at area 51. (Actually, its curiosity. I work in a defense plant.)

Poeple think they have access to 'Alien' technology. Other countries must believe this too.
Other countries have these nifty organizations called Intelligence Services. They know such rumors are false.

That's just what they want you to believe.
Who is this nebulous they?

If you think for a second that an adversary has 'Alien' technology. You keep your distance.
Actually no. You turn to your aformentioned Intelligence Services and say "Steal that"

It's all a ruse to give the Government an edge.
Hmm, the biggest economy and most powerful military don't do this enough already?

Maybe we should start going to the Moon.
IF you mean maybe we should start going back? If so, first thing you have said I agree with

Maybe strip-mine it or build hotels for tourists or maybe even a military base.
Wow. Two more things I agree with. Not to sour the giddiness of the prospect but what precisely would the mission of said military base be?

You know, so we can prove that we are capable of going there.
I think the existing Apollo record proves this most admirably.

Take another dose of your mind control drugs and call it a 'hoax'.
Aww shucky darn. My prescription just ran out.

I just want to be clear you are proposing that the entire hoax theory is in itself a conspiracy fomented by the US Government to motivate interest in a return to the moon? Further, you have inside information that this is indeed correct? Do tell whence this information came. I think it might be most amusing and or enlightening. Possibly both in equal measure.

I don't know about brainwashing, but the military doesn't do much to discourage Area 51 flying saucer rumors precisely because people are thinking so much about alien spacecraft that they don't pay much attention to top secret flight test. That works to the military's advantage.

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Um, that would be true, if it weren't for the Chinese saying they want to, and India, and oh yeah, NASA, too.

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This doesn't make sense, because from many things I've read and my own latest unofficial polls, people who want us to go back to the moon aren't inspired by hoax arguments--they're inspired by visiting museums and space centers and seeing IMAX films like "The Dream Is Alive." If so many people believed in the hoax conspiracy, people would be even more turned off about us going again, because they might think it "fake" again. People want to go to the moon and elsewhere, it's just a lot of people don't like paying for it. I've never even given thought to the moon hoax conspiracy until recently. It's not very convincing.

This August 2003 article sums up the general public's feelings well:
www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-08-18-inside-shuttle_x.htm+NASA+budget+compared&hl=en]Public Support Could Prove Crucial to NASA[/url]

But that's an aside, what do you think the government can gain from it? Do you mean that the companies the government would use via contracts would make tons of money off of it? There's nothing wrong with that, to an extent, and unlike earthly endeavors, such as wars, the benefits would extend to a host of scientists and eventually the public some day (I hope). Government paid research extends to private enterprise, as we've recently seen, and I think that's good. You're not being very clear about what you are saying.

LOL! One could make a case about color-coded terrorism fear, but Area 51-UFO fear? Yep, we gotta make sure other countries think we have "alien technology" for that extra super-power edge. Don't you think nuclear weapons are scary enough? :roll:

I'm a little confused. How, exactly, does the Government make money off the space program when they have to spend money by the truckload for rockets, spacecraft, and the vast infrastructure that supports them?

Or are you saying that the Government wants us to start another Moon program so they can fake that too, and divert the tax money that's supposedly being spent on that to something else?

Either way, it doesn't make much sense to me... :-k

I was reading the letters page in a astronomy magazine recently and someone had wrote about the possibilitys of one of the lunar astronauts bringing a lawsuit against the conspiracy theorists for deformation of character, with all of the evidence to back them up they could win millions and shut up these people forever. I believe that nasa sent men to the moon , but by ignoring the hoax accusations they are enabling a few silly people to denegrate a wonderful achievement.

In the US, to prove libel against a public figure (as an astronaut would no doubt be considered) you have to show malicious intent, which is a very high hurdle.

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A high-profile lawsuit involving a public figure is exactly what some of these hoax authors -- e.g., Bart Sibrel -- seem to want. Think of the publicity it would generate from them. Why do you think Sibrel was so angry that he wouldn't be allowed to press charges against Buzz Aldrin?

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How about someone who worked for NASA, or a contractor, sue them? What they said about the LM not working could damage Grummen's reputation, they have deep pockets and powerful lawyers.

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Grumman would have to demonstrate that they were, in fact, damaged by these claims...that someone they did business with actually believed that the LM didn't work...I don't see that ever happening.

The U.S. government seemed happy enough to let UFO reports slide and let the public perception of UFOs mask their top secret flight projects. However, the Soviet government was actively encouraging the UFO theories in their country precisely for the same reason.

This does not require brainwashing or drugs or even paying anyone off. Simply starting rumors, feeding hysteria, giving misleading explanations or failing to explain things that could be explained because the explanations involve Top Secret planes.

Taking any HB to court would surely backfire. Having someone standing up in a court of law spouting any rediculous woo woo would simply lend credibility to said woo woo theory.

Examples:

When "Monty Python's" - "Life of Brian" came out it was picketed by fundementalist groups. The publicity spurred larger crowds.

The "National Enquirer" is pleased to go to court any time and win or lose in court they win at the check-out counter every single time with greater sales.

"Farenheit 911" did great at the box office. How much paid advertising have you seen for it?

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Haven't heard much from the author of the OP. Perhaps he's still busy looking for Apollo lunar artifacts using the world's most sensitive telescope. You know, probably one of those 60mm, 900X jobs...

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Where would these millions come from? I don't think any of these hoax promoters is exactly rolling in money. My understanding of these sorts of cases is that the only people who make lots of money is the lawyers.

Thus far he seems to limit himself to one post per topic. I'm unable to tell whether he wants to be taken seriously or he's being so sarcastic that he expects us to see that he's not serious.

Who is the other .1%?

My thoughts exactly

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