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Old 09-September-2004, 05:15 PM
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I was wondering if anybody had recommendations for some particularly good books that debunk the lunar conspiracy (besides Bad Astronomy because I'm definitely using that anyway ). The reason is that I'm doing a research project in college and I wanted to choose the lunar conspiracy as my topic. Problem is we need to have at least 3 hard sources like books or magazine articles as well as online sources.

So does anybody recommend certain books on the topic?
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The only book available that specifically discusses the hoax theory is Phil's book.

I wrote a lengthy rebuttal to Bart Sibrel in Metropole, but that was published as a letter to the editor and not as an article, so it may not qualify. But it's issue 16, March 2003 on pages 16-17 if you'd like to cite that.

You might also consider Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition & Other Confusions of Our Time. It speaks to the psychology behind conspiracism.
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Old 09-September-2004, 05:43 PM
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Aha Shermer's book is at my college library. Thanks for the pointer!
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Presumably it would be a good idea to quote from the Hoax Proponents. Here's one:
Dark Moon

Hopefully you could find it in a bookstore, get some quotes, then return the book to the shelf. don't spend any hard-earned money on it, that's for sure.
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Presumably it would be a good idea to quote from the Hoax Proponents. Here's one:
Dark Moon

Hopefully you could find it in a bookstore, get some quotes, then return the book to the shelf. don't spend any hard-earned money on it, that's for sure.
Hehe well did anyone here actually try something like that first hand? I just wanna know if it actually worked for someone
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I don't know your location, but where I'm at, most large bookstores have seating areas that allow you to read books before (or instead of) purchasing them.

Obviously a library serves the same purpose, but I have this idealistic view that no library would accept garbage like "Dark Moon". However, since most libraries (at least public ones) rely on book donations, this notion may be untrue.
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I don't know your location, but where I'm at, most large bookstores have seating areas that allow you to read books before (or instead of) purchasing them.

Obviously a library serves the same purpose, but I have this idealistic view that no library would accept garbage like "Dark Moon". However, since most libraries (at least public ones) rely on book donations, this notion may be untrue.
Oh okay yeah we have that, but for some reason I pictured myself with a small notebook like the ones private investigators use taking down notes as I looked inside the book in one corner of the bookstore
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That's hard to do with Dark Moon. It's a ponderous, rambling tome with no serviceable index.
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Any chance of a Clavius book, Jay? The content of the site is surely extensive enough, though it'd be no small job to reformat it.

Edit: Hehe, should have searched first: http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/vi...us+book#138147
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Yeah, there's a chance.
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Yeah, there's a chance.
Time Scale?

How about a Jay / Phil collaboration

That would really be something \/
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Problem is we need to have at least 3 hard sources like books or magazine articles as well as online sources.
July 2004 issue of Astronomy magazine had any article debunking the moon hoax written by Ray Villard. You can order back issues here.
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Now that I would buy.
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July 2004 issue of Astronomy magazine had any article debunking the moon hoax written by Ray Villard. You can order back issues here.
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Philippe Lheureux's book Moon Landings - Did NASA Lie? is a well written book. Well for a hoax book that is. He does a little debunking too. He runs a computer simulation to show that you don't get parallel shadows, even on a flat surface. He's in the Hoagland camp and believes in the moon aliens concept.
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Do what I did - save Jay's site in it's entirety and burn it oonto a CD to take with you. I never give it out, suggesting that the person I'm talking to read it themselves, but I do show them every argument on it that they raise and let them read the responce.

And one of these days I'm going to print it all out and keep it in my brief case. I'm retired now and have nothing better to do than do community work teaching people to do stuff with computers, vollenteer time at the library and beat the stupid out of some people.
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Problem is we need to have at least 3 hard sources like books or magazine articles as well as online sources.
July 2004 issue of Astronomy magazine had an article debunking the moon hoax written by Ray Villard. You can order back issues here.
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I think there are several resources on the Web, such as Clavius, that do a better job of debunking the hoax than Mr. Villard's article, but the article should satisfy your project's requirement for published sources. If you run into trouble acquiring a copy, I own that issue and could probably help you out.
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If you run into trouble acquiring a copy, I own that issue and could probably help you out.
It should be readily available from Kalmbach Publishing.
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I have a question about your report. Do you think that if you presented a list of NASA books that showed NASA examined and solved all the engineering problems that the moon hoax crowd say never happened, that those would be acceptable? For example, space radiation or LM testing. For example, here is a NASA generated report on the testing and the development of the test facility. BTW, you get to see this on the JSC tour from Space Center Houston.


While I don't like Hoagland, his moon hoax debunking site is good, with a lots of references.
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I have a question about your report. Do you think that if you presented a list of NASA books that showed NASA examined and solved all the engineering problems that the moon hoax crowd say never happened, that those would be acceptable? For example, space radiation or LM testing. For example, here is a NASA generated report on the testing and the development of the test facility.
Yeah that'll work. Thanks for the pointer.