He was on C2C. He is not amused by the Face On The Shower Curtain explanation. He is also not impressed by the Face In The Clouds explanation. Neither am I. That only shows the debunkers aren't really serious about investigation....



In case you haven't heard of him before:

Bio

Sir Charles Shults III worked at Martin Marietta Aerospace for 10 years on weapons systems and computer based automated test equipment. He wrote the nuclear EMP test software for the Pershing II missile system, worked on Patriot, the Copperhead tank killer, and Advanced Attack Helicopter systems. Charles has performed research under grant on nuclear fusion, was knighted and received a long term grant for his present research in robotics and artificial intelligence. He has written many technical publications and magazine articles on space, astronomy, the atmosphere, and space resource development. In addition, Charles has also appeared on several TV and radio programs.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/773.html

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Junkyard...why was this posted in General Astronomy????

Ok, I just read the synopsis where Mr. Shults says that NASA has proof that there was once non sentient life on Mars and this is being kept from the public. Since this life isn't supposed to have been intelligent how does pareidolia come into play? Is it just having to do with items that look like fossils?

Now, if there is proof for non sentient life existing on Mars at some point why is there a need for secrecy about this? Also, why bother tampering with photos...just don't release the ones that "give away too much" so to speak. All in all, it just doesn't seem to make sense regardless of how impressive Mr. Shults's resume may be. If there is a conspiracy regarding life on Mars, what exactly is being hidden and why?

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Really? In what way were you "not impressed?" It's not because you heard some guy on CtoC say it, right?

Debunkers aren't really serious???? You are kidding, right?? Are you just posting here to "jerk our chains"? When you post stuff like this, I have to wonder...

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An examination of this (and this) yields a number of problems. Matter of fact, it's quite reminiscent of someone else.

Why does it show that debunkers are not serious?

I think the "Shower Curtain" article was well executed and good fun too(The use of humor in different forms does not imply that the message is not serious, humor is a tool).

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Maybe I have missed it but I can find no record of Sir Charles W. Shults III being knighted. Anyone else know if he is a British subject and when he knelt before the Queen?

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From Shults' "How I did my image processing", page...

Yet in his "bio"...

...I see no mention of any aquired skills which might help him "interpret" Mars' photos from a biological standpoint. My question...how did Shults become "familiar" with microfossils???

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But... it says right on the main page:

Perhaps you should read this. :-#

All kidding aside, I'd be tempted to call what's listed on his pages bad science, but since it in no way even begins to resemble science, calling it bad will simply have to suffice.

I have read the bio notes from his own page but cannot see how working for an American company or working on American projects would earn him a Knighthood. As far as I'm aware the UK is the only country that has an honours system like this. They are not given to non-British subjects lightly and Sir Bob Geldof (Irish by birth) is the only notable exception that I can think of and it was given for his work with the Band Aid charity.

A web search has failed to cast light on when Sir Charles W. Shults III received his honour or for what field it was given.

To a UK citizen this is a major obstacle in taking any of his other credentials seriously other than to reveal him as a fraud so I would like to know when he attended the tea party. If he didn't then it's tantamount to a hospital cleaner putting on a white gown and doing a ward round passing themselves off as a consultant so I need to be very sure of my facts.

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Apparently the Dutch give out similar honors. Last year, three baseball players from Aruba were given knighthoods for making it to the majors.

I searched for any record of a Charles Shults getting any honor, but couldn't find anything. There were a few places were he claimed to have a KBB (Sir Charles W. Shults III, KBB) but I have no idea what that is supposed to be. I'm pretty sure a British Knight Bachelor would put KBB after his name and I haven't found any Dutch award that would fit.

Maybe someone else knows what a KBB is supposed to be.

He must have got something - Charlie Brown is a classic! :wink:

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I thought that name sounded familiar #-o . At least this guy's name is spelled differently. That would really make it a pain to try and find anything.

So if you don't accept Phil's explanation, do you believe Lenin really appeared in the shower curtain?

Though, I too must confess I think Phil is wrong on this one. It's obviously Col. Sanders. And the 11 herbs and spices is a clue from beyond to a hyperdimensionsal 11 folded symmetry.



Gotta give it up for the extra crispy!

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technically Aruba is still part of the Dutch Kingdom, so they are not considered foreigners, and the Dutch 'knighthood' is a fairly minor commendation not comparable to the English knighting.

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Hey, you can't pull the wool over my eyes, buster. I took your clever KFC photo which probably wasn't supposed to show us anything and applied Shults' photographic enhancement procedures, to the letter.

After comprehensive and painstaking photoanalysis, the evidence clearly shows a brachiopod, a pair of echinoderms, a trilobite, and clearly at least one steinkern, which I've outlined in red:



Nice try with the cleverly placed bit of disinformation, but you're not fooling anyone! [-(

That brachiopod was tendril lickin' good!

And I thought I just saw a leg, thigh and wing in there.... ops:

So does the Col. outrank a Knight? And are we going Dutch, then? I'm confused.

Nice photo work, Wolverine!

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I'm still waiting for someone to confirm that the water spot caused from Hurricane Frances is just that, and not an apparition of a man holding a beer!

Is he a British or Commonwealth citizen? If not then he is not allowed to use the title 'sir' as the knighthood is hounorary. Bob Geldof, Norman Schwartzkopf, Casper Weinberger and Steven Spielberg are all hounorary Knights of various orders but none may use the title or IIRC the postnominal letters.
Ive never heard of a KBB. There is a KCB (Knight commander of the most honourable order of the bath) however.

"KBB"...Hmmm, could it be "Knight blarney of the the most bogus order of bovine feces"?

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I never understood why people think NASA would want to hide something like this, anyway.

If life were discovered on Mars, imagine the case they could make to Congress for more funding!

Charles "Chip" Shults is looked at in this earlier thread.

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Never heard of a KBB and neither have the UK Cabinet Office. There is a Knight Bachelor which carries the title "Sir" but doesn't have post nominal letters.

The guy who funds Shults is a Scottish Baron!

Or rather, a person who has bought a Scottish title, which comes with absolutely no land, money, position or influence. And no right to knight his minions.

OK...how did I miss that thread? I know I wasn't on vacation. I know, I know...there is a search function on this board. Thanks for the link, Parrothead!

On that thread, Pete Albrecht (Pretty much) covers everything that needs to be said about Sir Charles "Chip" Shults III.

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I too missed this. I think the "Sir" threw me off. Next post will be about Dr. Chuck Schulz or some other permutation.

Charles... Chip.... hmmm - I think I see the source of the confusion.


PS - I guess I have the munchies since my last posts all include food. Go figure.

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1. Not only "was". He believes life is still there.

2. It doesn't. That refers to the Face on Mars.

3. No. I thought he had a bunch of fossil examples. Now his site has only one example that is impossible for me to tell what it is.



4. Tradition. There is an odd conditioning going on. Over half of Americans believe in "aliens", according at least one survery, yet we have no scientific proof they exist.

5. Why indeed? Some blame the Brookings report of the early '60s. But that report was centered on disruption to our society if we found out about intelligent aliens. The whole thing is puzzling....

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Apologies for the humorous tangent, it was solely in good fun.

Now, in all seriousness:

A belief to which he's certainly entitled. However, he makes very specific claims that are quite simply devoid of substantive empirical data. There's a marked difference between possessing a given belief and presenting it as fact.

He does not use scientific methodology to offer evidence for his claims -- rather, he employs tremendously flawed methods to bolster his beliefs or curry favor amongst those unable to discern between science and pseudoscience.

Actually, pareidolia does come into play, the shower curtain example notwithstanding. Schults believes that ordinary rock formations are instead examples of fossils. That's a rather textbook example of pareidolia. Again though, he presents flawed analyses in attempt to justify his conclusions. If his resumé is accurate, my feeling is that he should know better.

If the rover imagery/data did show any conclusive evidence of past Martian life, it would be an epic scientific discovery.
Do you believe any such findings would be hidden from the public, and if so, why?

Argumentum ad populum.

There is simply no evidence suggesting JPL/NASA are concealing photos or data from the public. Unless you'd care to present some....

Once again, this seems to be the bottom line. One can go around saying that images "look like" fossilized organisims, that "the face" looks like a monument and that NASA just "must" be covering up something on Mars. However, until there is some actual evidence for these claims then this is all nothing more than unfounded wild speculation and nothing even remotely approaching scientific evidence.

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Micro-fossils? He's going to have a hard time explaining the triple blueberry concretion in this photo.