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Old 17-October-2004, 09:03 PM
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Default Sir Charles Shults disses BA's shower curtain explanation.

He was on C2C. He is not amused by the Face On The Shower Curtain explanation. He is also not impressed by the Face In The Clouds explanation. Neither am I. That only shows the debunkers aren't really serious about investigation....



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Sir Charles Shults III worked at Martin Marietta Aerospace for 10 years on weapons systems and computer based automated test equipment. He wrote the nuclear EMP test software for the Pershing II missile system, worked on Patriot, the Copperhead tank killer, and Advanced Attack Helicopter systems. Charles has performed research under grant on nuclear fusion, was knighted and received a long term grant for his present research in robotics and artificial intelligence. He has written many technical publications and magazine articles on space, astronomy, the atmosphere, and space resource development. In addition, Charles has also appeared on several TV and radio programs.

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Old 17-October-2004, 09:16 PM
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Junkyard...why was this posted in General Astronomy????
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Old 17-October-2004, 09:26 PM
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Ok, I just read the synopsis where Mr. Shults says that NASA has proof that there was once non sentient life on Mars and this is being kept from the public. Since this life isn't supposed to have been intelligent how does pareidolia come into play? Is it just having to do with items that look like fossils?

Now, if there is proof for non sentient life existing on Mars at some point why is there a need for secrecy about this? Also, why bother tampering with photos...just don't release the ones that "give away too much" so to speak. All in all, it just doesn't seem to make sense regardless of how impressive Mr. Shults's resume may be. If there is a conspiracy regarding life on Mars, what exactly is being hidden and why?
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He was on C2C. He is not amused by the Face On The Shower Curtain explanation. He is also not impressed by the Face In The Clouds explanation. Neither am I.
Really? In what way were you "not impressed?" It's not because you heard some guy on CtoC say it, right?

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Debunkers aren't really serious???? You are kidding, right?? Are you just posting here to "jerk our chains"? When you post stuff like this, I have to wonder...
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Old 17-October-2004, 10:53 PM
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An examination of this (and this) yields a number of problems. Matter of fact, it's quite reminiscent of someone else.
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Old 17-October-2004, 11:22 PM
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He was on C2C. He is not amused by the Face On The Shower Curtain explanation. He is also not impressed by the Face In The Clouds explanation. Neither am I. That only shows the debunkers aren't really serious about investigation....
Why does it show that debunkers are not serious?

I think the "Shower Curtain" article was well executed and good fun too(The use of humor in different forms does not imply that the message is not serious, humor is a tool).
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Old 17-October-2004, 11:36 PM
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Maybe I have missed it but I can find no record of Sir Charles W. Shults III being knighted. Anyone else know if he is a British subject and when he knelt before the Queen?
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Old 18-October-2004, 12:05 AM
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From Shults' "How I did my image processing", page...

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Unless you are familiar with microfossils, or marine fossils, there are telltales that you are very likely to miss.
Yet in his "bio"...

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Sir Charles Shults III worked at Martin Marietta Aerospace for 10 years on weapons systems and computer based automated test equipment. He wrote the nuclear EMP test software for the Pershing II missile system, worked on Patriot, the Copperhead tank killer, and Advanced Attack Helicopter systems. Charles has performed research under grant on nuclear fusion, was knighted and received a long term grant for his present research in robotics and artificial intelligence. He has written many technical publications and magazine articles on space, astronomy, the atmosphere, and space resource development. In addition, Charles has also appeared on several TV and radio programs.
...I see no mention of any aquired skills which might help him "interpret" Mars' photos from a biological standpoint. My question...how did Shults become "familiar" with microfossils???
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Old 18-October-2004, 12:34 AM
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But... it says right on the main page:

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CONFIRMATIONS continue to come in from people who have examined these fossils. I have received confirmations from professors and teachers of biology, paleontologists and amateur fossil hunters and collectors.
Perhaps you should read this. :-#

All kidding aside, I'd be tempted to call what's listed on his pages bad science, but since it in no way even begins to resemble science, calling it bad will simply have to suffice.
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Old 18-October-2004, 12:58 AM
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I have read the bio notes from his own page but cannot see how working for an American company or working on American projects would earn him a Knighthood. As far as I'm aware the UK is the only country that has an honours system like this. They are not given to non-British subjects lightly and Sir Bob Geldof (Irish by birth) is the only notable exception that I can think of and it was given for his work with the Band Aid charity.

A web search has failed to cast light on when Sir Charles W. Shults III received his honour or for what field it was given.

To a UK citizen this is a major obstacle in taking any of his other credentials seriously other than to reveal him as a fraud so I would like to know when he attended the tea party. If he didn't then it's tantamount to a hospital cleaner putting on a white gown and doing a ward round passing themselves off as a consultant so I need to be very sure of my facts.
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Apparently the Dutch give out similar honors. Last year, three baseball players from Aruba were given knighthoods for making it to the majors.

I searched for any record of a Charles Shults getting any honor, but couldn't find anything. There were a few places were he claimed to have a KBB (Sir Charles W. Shults III, KBB) but I have no idea what that is supposed to be. I'm pretty sure a British Knight Bachelor would put KBB after his name and I haven't found any Dutch award that would fit.

Maybe someone else knows what a KBB is supposed to be.
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I searched for any record of a Charles Shults getting any honor, but couldn't find anything.
He must have got something - Charlie Brown is a classic! :wink:
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Old 18-October-2004, 01:27 AM
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I thought that name sounded familiar #-o . At least this guy's name is spelled differently. That would really make it a pain to try and find anything.
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Old 18-October-2004, 01:52 AM
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He was on C2C. He is not amused by the Face On The Shower Curtain explanation. He is also not impressed by the Face In The Clouds explanation. Neither am I.
So if you don't accept Phil's explanation, do you believe Lenin really appeared in the shower curtain?

Though, I too must confess I think Phil is wrong on this one. It's obviously Col. Sanders. And the 11 herbs and spices is a clue from beyond to a hyperdimensionsal 11 folded symmetry.



Gotta give it up for the extra crispy!
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Old 18-October-2004, 03:24 AM
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Apparently the Dutch give out similar honors. Last year, three baseball players from Aruba were given knighthoods for making it to the majors.
technically Aruba is still part of the Dutch Kingdom, so they are not considered foreigners, and the Dutch 'knighthood' is a fairly minor commendation not comparable to the English knighting.
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Though, I too must confess I think Phil is wrong on this one. It's obviously Col. Sanders. And the 11 herbs and spices is a clue from beyond to a hyperdimensionsal 11 folded symmetry.



Gotta give it up for the extra crispy!
Hey, you can't pull the wool over my eyes, buster. I took your clever KFC photo which probably wasn't supposed to show us anything and applied Shults' photographic enhancement procedures, to the letter.

After comprehensive and painstaking photoanalysis, the evidence clearly shows a brachiopod, a pair of echinoderms, a trilobite, and clearly at least one steinkern, which I've outlined in red:



Nice try with the cleverly placed bit of disinformation, but you're not fooling anyone! [-(
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After comprehensive and painstaking photoanalysis, the evidence clearly shows a brachiopod, a pair of echinoderms, a trilobite, and clearly at least one steinkern
That brachiopod was tendril lickin' good!

And I thought I just saw a leg, thigh and wing in there.... ops:

So does the Col. outrank a Knight? And are we going Dutch, then? I'm confused.

Nice photo work, Wolverine!
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