I saw this and thought some HB will use it someday.

that a Gumball machine?

Could be. Or it could be a Dalek :P

Whats that? :-? :-?

Dr. Who enemy. Veddy British. Red phone booths and all that.

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Got home early last night and the kids were watching 'Genesis of the Daleks' on the ABC.

Man - talk about a flashback! 8)

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That's the proof of the picture that the BA will be using on the cover of the British edition of his book.

Click on the thumbnail below for a larger image.

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LOL. Dr. Who, what a show that is! My brother was(/is?) a Dr. Who fan (isn't Whovian the term akin to Trekker/Trekkie?) I always thought it was such a lame show. I believe it was The Comic Book Guy (on The Simpson's) who bought 100 tacos for $100 and made mention of it being "enough sustenance for the Dr. Who convention."

But the image may very well be "proof" to the other extremists who believe that NASA (indeed went to the moon and) is covering up evidence of there being aliens on the moon. :wink:

Along those lines of NASA "covering up" evidence of life on the moon, I have access to a [doctored] picture of Buzz Aldrin on the moon (the famous portrait shot that we see all the time) with some Quakers standing behind him in the background (the caption reads, "What NASA does not want you to know" or something to that effect.)

I'm not trying to start a controversial religious discussion or anything like that, just stating fact objectively; i.e., back in the early days of the Mormon church, Joseph Smith once said that people lived on the moon and that they dressed like Quakers. It's just a humorous thought (and the picture of Aldrin with some Quakers on the moon is just a silly idea spoofing HBs 180-degree counterparts.)

[edit] If any of you would like to see Quakers on the moon, I'll see if I can get it online. Just let me know.

Quakers on the Moon would be a good name for a rock band. :wink:

It is, but, like the 'trekkie' term, most of us do not care for it.

Contrary to popular media, most of us Doctor Who fans are normal people who happen to derive a great deal of enjoyment from the show, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if there is a convention in town the local media will always go for the prat in full Time Lord regalia, complete with home-made sonic screwdriver and TARDIS key, and make him pose for pictures next to the full size Dalek his mate brought along for a laugh. They will then splash these pictures all over the paper, thus providing the neat impression that we are all a bunch of w*nkers.

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Exterminate! EXTERMINATE!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. For the people that aren't familiar with Dr. Who, the Daleks ran around shouting this all the time.

And to stay on topic, don't paranoids typically incorporate things they find in their surroundings into their delusion, strengthening their personal beliefs about the world? Perhaps all hoax believers have a mild (or in some cases extreme) form of this psychosis. Sounds good, but I'm no psychologist (unless machines can think; sometimes I wonder).

I'm not trying to start a controversial religious discussion or anything like that, just stating fact objectively; i.e., back in the early days of the Mormon church, Joseph Smith once said that people lived on the moon and that they dressed like Quakers.

Rumor at best. A man writing in 1881 said he'd heard Smith say it at a meeting in 1837 when he (the writer) was only 10 years old. The other note-takers at the meeting (whose records have survived) recorded no such statement. And keep in mind that making up stories about Mormons was a popular parlour activity back then (and, apparently, still is now).

There may be a nugget of truth to it. Other people at the time were speculating about an inhabited moon, so Smith may at one time or another have said something about it. But the notion of them dressing as Quakers sounds a lot like embellishment to me.

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"...back in the early days of the Mormon church, Joseph Smith once said that people lived on the moon and that they dressed like Quakers."

What Smith really said was that when people landed on the moon the Pres(ident) would be a Quaker.

Shows ya how prescient Smith was.

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Quakers on the Moon?

No problem if they have the right equipment (and stuff)!

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It does look like a Dalek.

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People were doing a bit more than just speculating. In 1835 someone, nowadays generally thought to have been Richard Adams Locke, cooked up The Original Moon Hoax, published in the New York Sun and widely noised about and discussed.

If the person making the claim about Smith had heard the stories about sentient beings on the Moon, and saw Smith speak a couple of years later, then by 1881 he could have confabulated the two into the Smith tale. As we've discovered over the last couple of decades, the human memory can be a very tricky thing. Perhaps the nugget of truth came courtesy of the Sun. Where the Quaker description could have come from I know not; the two sentient species described by the Sun were a race of bipeds resembling beavers and a race of humanoids with batlike wings, who were represented as going nude.

Of course, what I'm doing now is speculating, but the Museum of Hoaxes page about the 1835 Moon Hoax might be of interest to my fellow BABBers.

I finally got it up. The Quakers on the moon can be seen here. Regardless of Joseph Smith being misquoted, I think it's a humorous picture.

That picture is obviously a fake; that edition of the Book of Mormon wasn't available in 1969. :wink:

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If the person making the claim about Smith had heard the stories about sentient beings on the Moon, and saw Smith speak a couple of years later, then by 1881 he could have confabulated the two into the Smith tale.

That's essentially the theory, although I don't think the claimant was necessarily thinking of Locke's hoax specifically. But it's likely the claimant confused two or more stories, one of them involving Joseph Smith. Given the fascination with astronomy and cosmology among early Mormons, it's quite likely Smith said something about the moon and people living on it. But the details of dress and longevity probably came from popular tales.

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Why is it that people who wear costumes get characterized so poorly, even from other fans? What's so wrong with someone wearing a costume to a party? It's like having Halloween on a lot more occassions. Nobody makes a big deal about dressing up like ghosts, movie serial killers, funny witches, etc on Halloween, but go to a Sci Fi convention (of any form) and suddenly those in costumes are nutjobs who need to get a life. Why?

I just attended an Anime con here in Houston not long ago (OniCon) - and it was pretty fun. One of the things that made it exciting was the huge crowd (over 2000 registrations) with a large percentage in costume. These are people having fun and sharing a common interest and expressing that interest in creative ways. Sure some of them probably spent more money on their costumes than you might think reasonable, but then it's their money to spend. Maybe they're making a costume rather than buying, say, World Series tickets or season tickets to the Astros. Why is that any more sane?

The vast majority of fans, even those in costumes, do not think they are Captain Kirk (or The Doctor or whichever character comes to mind). They just are having some fun.

Think about it this way - what's with the folks who walk around in basketball or football jerseys with "Bryant" and "O'Neal", etc on the back? I mean, when you see some fat, short dude wearing a basketball jersey, do you automatically assume he think's he's Michael Jordan?

In June we held "ApolloCon", a new general interest Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror convention here in Houston. We got a group of folks to attend dressed as Stormtroopers and other Star Wars Imperial outfits. It was a hoot - a group of folks walking through the lobby of a hotel in full garb, complete with mockup weapons and a soundtrack playing - with mutiple Boba and Jengo Fetts. And you know what? We were sharing the hotel with a bunch of teenage girls in town for a national high school volleyball tournament, and while none of them were particularly interested in finding out about the literary merits of Harry Potter or details from the Lord of the Rings expert on hand, a number of them were thrilled to pose for pictures with the Stormtroopers.

Don't knock costumes, or the folks who wear them.