Thought I'd post this Email that I received today to get the groups reaction on it

UFO And Shuttle In Near Collision?

It isn't a question of whether UFOs exist. The question is: who do they
belong to?
UFO AND SPACE SHUTTLE WASHINGTON - The Space Shuttle Endeavor narrowly avoided a collision with a gigantic UFO during its 12-day mission in September and a top-secret NASA audio tape proves it! That's the word from author William Kliner, who claims to have obtained a copy of the tape from highly placed NASA sources and flatly calls the incident "the most dramatic close encounter in history."

In the 23-second tape, which was recorded off one of several secret radio frequencies that NASA reserves for classified conversations with space shuttle astronauts, Commander David Wal! ! ker is heard to say: "Bogey at 3 o'clock, God what is it? My God, it's coming right at us!" NASA asks: What's there? Walker: There's no way! Oh God! Get back. Move!"
NASA asks: Endeavor! Endeavor! What, explain Walker states: "What the. Where is it? Where, it's gone. It's gone! . . UFO, Spacecraft, huge, intelligent, over
there!
NASA tells: Endeavor to: Switch now!

The tape ends abruptly with what would appear to be a NASA order for Walker to change radio frequency. And while nobody other than Walker, his crew and a handful of NASA officials knows exactly what happened next, the Endeavor returned to Earth safely on September 18, indicating that the close encounter ended without further incident.
"This is dazzling proof that UFOs not only exist, they are piloted by extraterrestrials who are interested in! ! our technology and possibly even mankind's ventures into space," declared Kliner, who has published hundreds of articles on America's space program over the past 25 years. "Until now, I didn't believe in the existence of UFOs and I certainly didn't believe that extraterrestrials were visiting our planet. "But now I know better.
Space aliens actually observed our shuttle astronauts as they orbited Earth - and NASA's own tape proves it."

NASA spokesmen declined to comment on the author's report pending the outcome of what one official called "an investigation into the source of unauthorized information that might or might not have basis in fact." Like
NASA, Commander Walker and his crew - Pilot Ken Cockrell and Mission Specialists James Voss, James Newman and Michael Gernhardt - aren't talking. But Kliner's sources say the Endeavor and crew did, in fact, avert an! ! in-orbit collision with "a massive, walnut-shaped spacecraft of unknown
origin." "From what I understand, the spacecraft was the size of a small
city and glowed bright green as it approached the shuttle," he continued.
"At some point during the encounter, the UFO veered off course to avoid a collision. "As far as I know," he continued, "there was no contact between
the UFO and the shuttle. If there was contact, my sources are unaware of
it."

Thanks to: Eric Howarth: erich@cycor.ca and A.J. Craddock. Editors Note:
Investigators who live near Cape Canaveral often report sightings of UFOs during the launch of the shuttle.

Reads kinda like the script of a bad Star Trek episode.

Well, of course. If you're going to talk about a UFO, you don't want to stay on that secret frequency, now, do you?

And yet it was completely invisible from Earth.

Uh-huh.

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... the spacecraft was the size of a small city and glowed bright green as it approached the shuttle ...

and

Reads kinda like the script of a bad Star Trek episode.

Hmmm. Coincidence?

http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/vi...1449&forum=4&5

Or a promo?

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I'm afraid this is utterly bogus. Here's why:

1. I recognized the crew members; this is the "Dog Crew II" of STS-69. As in the STS-69 that flew in September of 1995. Not last year, as was implied by the message.

2. At least on non-DoD missions, which this was, the only conversations not transmitted in the clear over NASA Select TV are short private medical conferences.

3. I was in the MCC (Mission Control Center) building for that flight, working as a payload controller for Wake Shield Facility. One floor away from the Flight Control Room (FCR, the room you see on TV), we monitored all communications on the standard A/G-1 (Air to Ground 1) loop. Sorry, no UFOs.

4. Somehow, all the people working there, including FCR and backroom folks, forgot to get excited about this encounter with a glowing city-sized UFO.

5. Statement of personal incredulity: I've met Dave Walker; he wouldn't spout such breathless nonsense under *any* circumstances.

So, cosmicdave, I think you can tell whoever sent that to you that it's just plain false. If it's not too much trouble, ask them, in light of my observations above, if they still believe it. If so, kindly ask them to provide some sort of proof, or at least a specific time when this was supposed to have happened.

Cheers!


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: sts60 on 2002-06-11 17:33 ]</font>

Some people are so desperate to believe in aliens visting earth that they'll just make stuff up and blow it out onto the 'net. Where's the RealAudio version of this secret tape so we can all listen to it? Why would NASA, if it was so committed to hiding material like this, leave it laying around so some "high placed official" could steal it.
Why doesn't author William Kliner share the tape with everyone - and why not name the NASA source? Oh ya - 'cause then NASA would have to kill him.
More critical analysis from Cosmic Dave. Or more correctly, more BS from the conspiracy crowd. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

The article in question presents a factually incorrect description of air-to-ground communications with the orbiter, be they publicly released or confidential.

While I cannot vouch for the likelihood that the astronauts in question would have spoken like that, it is nevertheless very uncharacteristic for highly experienced pilots to converse in such a manner. This sounds more like UFO enthusiasts putting words in astronauts' mouths.

I am certainly not convinced by factually incorrect, fanciful, uncharacteristic, uncorroborated gossip passed around the internet by UFO enthusiasts.

The story can be tracked back - at least - to this November 1995 Usenet thread:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=u...x.netcom.com#s

Poster Brian Zeiler writes:

"Know where that article originated? The current issue of Weekly World
News. I noticed it while grocery shopping yesterday -- it's the cover
story."

The cover of Weekly World News .... Mostly likely the UFO´s pilot was Elvis .... [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] .... Or maybe the pilot was Comic-dave .... Sorry. Typo .. COSMIC-dave ! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]



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One other thing to point out is that this so-called tape appeared only after David Walker passed away from cancer (April 2001).

The original email was passed on without any checking by George A. Filer, MUFON Eastern Director, in a 1998 piece. That pretty much establishes MUFON's credibility level in my eyes.

What do you want to bet these odious persons will cite Cmdr. Walker's passing as part of the "conspiracy"?





<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: sts60 on 2002-06-11 18:20 ]</font>

Yes, old UFO story, January 14, 1998: UFO AND SPACE SHUTTLE.

It's even older on the Usenet.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Alan G. Archer on 2002-06-11 19:21 ]</font>

Unfortunately, it's no longer on their website. I looked. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img]

It never fails to amaze me how ufos can navigate huge distances only to crash (or in this case nearly crash) into orbiters, the earth or any other available object. I guess the little green men pilot training facility isnt too hot.

"It isn't a question of whether UFOs exist. The question is: who do they
belong to?"

Surely given that ufo is defined as unidentified flying object, the more important question is what are they?

How can anyone who is mentally fit enough to handle a computer can be so dull to believe in such stories - and on the other hand believe that the moon landings were faked.
"super secret" - ha - that's the lamest excuse for everything. And why they should talk on a secret channel just the time the ufo arrives? And why changing channels when they are already on the secret one?
Of course, ufos exists, because I cannot explain everything I see in the air. But seen from afar, there are also often umos (unidentified moving objects) or uojsoss (unidentified objects just standing around somewhere). There are also a lot of mathematical formulas I could not identify when you show me, so they must be of extraterrestrial origin. Thats your logic, but it's no logic at all.

To Paraphrase TBA, How Cool is your Job?

So, for all of us Astrogroupies, what are the Space-boys and -girls, really like?

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In my previous job, I met and worked with several astronauts, including James Voss and James Newman. I wouldn't say I know any of them well, but I've met a few.

So, Zaphod, some of them are cocky, some are more reserved. Some are sticklers for details, some more like to wing it. Some take charge, others are able to let things happen around them. Story Musgrave is a real character - but then you can pretty much tell that if you've seen him in a TV interview.

So, in other words, they're just like everybody else.

You're right about Dr. Musgrave though, from what he said in an Article, in Discover Magazine, he may not be from Iowa, but Apparently, he just Works, or should I say worked, in Outer Space!

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whatdyamean "bogus"??? Kliner has sources man! And just any ol' sources, but "highly placed NASA" sources!!!

(sniff sniff. . . ah, the sweet sweet smell of sarcasm).

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ZaphodB. wrote:Irishman answered this one pretty well, I think. What they have in common is focus and competence. And, in general, political savvy... The public image of today's astronaut doesn't have many rough edges.

I've had some cool jobs, but the fun thing is knowing or at least meeting people who have the really cool jobs, like astronauts, or the guy who flies the shuttle training aircraft, or the techs who inhabit the VAB or the pads, etc. A lot of these guys and gals are very blase about it. Sorry, I don't buy that it's "just another job". [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: sts60 on 2002-06-12 12:22 ]</font>

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This is a flight that lives in my heart. Indirectly, it's why this website exists. One of the very first instances of Bad Astronomy on which I reported. Kewl.
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