Go to the Clavius site

this is the slickest big bucks website I have seen

who has this much money and resources to debunk a crazy woo woo theory like ´we never went to the moon´

a bunch of ´concerned amateurs´ ---NOT

to me this is the most damning evidence yet

ESPECIALLY if it is true that clavius was originally a supporter of the moon hoax theory--what better way to buy credibility--especially if you have damn near unlimited funds --like NASA

WARNING: GLP thread!

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Wait, wasn't it Apollohoax that was pro-hoax, not Clavius?

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It's GLP. There a 50/50 chance that they've the poster has their facts straight.

Oh, right. GLP.

Sorry. #-o

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Yes, Apollohoax was pro-hoax at one time. Apollohoax is now the host of the Clavius Web Forum, which is probably how this person got mixed up. Clearly Clavius itself was never pro-hoax.

Yeah, struck me as funny. I knew about Apollohoax and figured it might be because of the forum thing. Thanks!

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ROTFLMAO!

Clavius costs less than $300 per year to operate. Just because there are some truly unappealing web sites out there doesn't mean a good-looking web site is a huge, expensive affair. Clavius is written mostly with open-source tools: Emacs and Gimp, with occasional Photoshop Elements.

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I've seen people spend lots of money (I'm talking thousands) on atrocious websites, and I've seen dynamite websites by 17 year old kids who did it because they felt like it. My website is a mess, I know, but it outgrew its design three years ago, and I haven't had time to upgrade it...

And that's the dangerous thing about doing research on the web. People tend to equate how much to trust the information on a site with how professional it looks. I've seen great looking crank websites and horrendous looking factual website. Heck, you should see my company's intranet, definately not something to write home about.

I got a good laugh out of that too. Clavius is certainly a nice looking site, but it doesn't look like a "big bucks website". It looks like what it is, a site put together by a conscientious technical professional who really knows what he's talking about and is willing to devote a huge amount of personal time and effort to the project. I suspect the person who made this comment at GLP knows as little about Web page design as he/she does about Apollo.

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We all know the stories behind Sir Jay Whindley's (esquire) lavishly depraved lifestyle. The mansions, the women, the fast cars? How long must this secret be kept?!

Clavius is a great site, pleasing to the eye, simple and effective. It's a great job in research and in design, with a lot of clear, concise facts and rationales. It's just a fantastic place, Jay! =D>

But it should be obvious to anyone who's ever written 5 lines of HTML code (not exactly string theory, either) that it's not a "big bucks" effort at all. That is, unless standard web design skills are now defined as big bucks!

Typical GLP! :roll:

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Depends if $15 an hour is considered bug bucks.......

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I don't know about it being cheap. Imagine hiring JayUtah to provide assistance - take Jay's standard pay per hour and multiply it by the time he spends debunking HB claims and you have $$$ to keep the site going. :-k

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50/50 - , probably more like 1 out of 50

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I don't know about it being cheap. Imagine hiring JayUtah to provide assistance...

But that's how much it would cost someone else hypothetically to maintain the site. That's not how much it costs to actually do it. While, for certain purposes, the "fair market value" would have to be applied, the question here is whether Clavius is a big-budget site. And it isn't, because I donate my expertise and labor for free.

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Clavius Moon Base

Exactly. Aulis is actually a very good looking site, whereas ALSJ's simple HTML hides its enormous wealth of information.

Incidentally, I kept on thinking of the hairdressers when I first saw Clavius. It looked like it had been designed by a fashion designer or a stylist or something.

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Yes, if someone wanted to offer to buy the Clavius site from Jay he could place a fairly high value on it because of all of the time and effort he has invested in it, but I'm sure it isn't an expensive site to run.

My site is hosted for $7.95/month ($95/year) plus the cost of the domain name (less than $20/year). I create it using a free text editor and a free graphics program. The forum software (phpBB just like the BABB) is also free. The only other investment I make is my spare time.

I was being generous, partly because I didn't want to go off too much on the intelligence, or lack thereof, of many GLP posters.