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Old 03-July-2002, 08:50 PM
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Off the top of my head ... Here are five famous people, who - more or less - believes in the Moon Hoax theory:

Jesper Parnevik
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Pro golfer from Sweden

"On the eve of last year's Honda, a stranger walked up to the eccentric Swede and handed him a funky-looking putter. Parnevik tried it, stuck it in his bag -- and won wire-to-wire. He's still using it.

He's currently intrigued by a book that purports the 1969 Apollo 11 moon landing was an elaborate hoax. ''He's been collecting evidence for 30 years,'' Parnevik said. ``If you read it, you'd think there's no way it happened.''

He wears disco-era clothing, endorses vitamins, once tried a diet of volcanic sand and lists his outside interests as magic, bridge, backgammon, yoga, yachting and tennis."


http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/sports/2792940.htm

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Charles Gordon Howell III
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Pro golfer from the US

"Howell also wondered aloud at a press conference at the Sony Open whether man has really landed on the moon. "Yeah, there's a flag up there, but the flag is pointing out and there's no wind to blow the flag. Think about that," he told bemused journalists.

If this somewhat unconventional outlook sounds vaguely familiar, then it may not come as a surprise that Howell hangs out with Jesper Parnevik.

Parnevik once three-putted for double bogey whilst thinking about wrapping a piece of string around the equator, and is also famous for eating space dust."


http://www.pga.com/Newsline/Tour_New...il.cfm?ID=8676

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Clive Cussler
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Author, "Raise The Titanic"

"tzu69 asks: In Sahara, you made a reference to the "faked" moon landing program. Did you actually believe that ??

author_clive_cussler: My personal belief is that we never went to the moon.
author_clive_cussler: I could go on for hours about this.
author_clive_cussler: We can't even put a lander on Mars.
author_clive_cussler: The Apollo program worked every time . . . "


http://www.raisethetitanic.com/novel..._12151999.html

"As for the space program, he thinks the Apollo mission was a hoax.
"Rocket scientists I talk to say we didn't have the technology then, and we don't have it now," he says. "Here we have this Saturn rocket that puts out zillions of pounds of thrust, and it throws this huge weight into space, goes to the moon, circles, this little thing comes out of it, goes down and lands, comes back up, connects, returns -- and it worked right every time. And we still have rockets blowing up, and destroying a shuttle?
"It's lots of fun to speculate. You can study the photographs -- no stars in the background, nothing like that. If there's one-sixth the gravity on the moon, why couldn't the astronauts jump higher, instead of doing those little crow hops?"
But admittedly, Cussler knows more about the sea, and sea hunts and long-lost wrecks than he does the mysteries of flight and aviation."


http://www.s-t.com/daily/09-97/09-21-97/e07ae198.htm

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Carl Everett
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Boston Red Sox/Texas Rangers

"“Crazy Carl” is the name by which many Boston Red Sox fans address Everett in conversation. A Sox player now with the Texas Rangers, Everett also meets the criteria to be considered “overpaid.” Everett’s biggest claim to fame was his illustrious head butt to the home plate umpire in an on-field dispute last season.

He was also notorious for his comments about dinosaurs never existing and the moon landings never actually happening"


http://www.browndailyherald.com/stories.cfm?S=0&ID=6996

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Marshall Faulk
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St. Louis Rams running back

"Sportswriters and TV people are always touting running back Marshall Faulk as "the smartest man on the St. Louis Rams roster." But just the other day, one paper reported that Faulk is "among a growing number of people who now believe that the 1969 Apollo 11 Moon landing was a hoax."

The "growing number" part is right. There used to be three; now Faulk makes four. Faulk, who probably has trouble figuring out which end of the football to tuck into his elbow, says that "the flag (purportedly planted on the Moon's surface) sticks straight out, and everybody knows there's no wind on the Moon."

How do you know that, Marshall? Did Jules Verne tell you?

Those of us who were fortunate to have lived through that time remember that there was a slim rod in the flag that would allow it to stand out straight, and that the flag was even designed to look like it was flapping in the breeze.

I think Marshall stayed up late one night and watched Capricorn One, a movie about a government hoax of a manned landing on Mars. That movie starred (among others) James Brolin, Elliott Gould and O.J. Simpson. That's two guys who have been married to Barbra Streisand and one who would "kill the b**ch if she made me mad."


http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tw/2002-01-31/danehy.html

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Old 03-July-2002, 09:01 PM
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Funny stuff, Sherlock. Pretty good evidence that being famous doesn't require that you be among the sharpest tools in the shed.
It's not surprising that two of them are in pro sports - well four if you consider golf to be a sport. Does the term "dumb jock" strike a familiar note?

But the guy who wrote that literary masterpiece "Raise the Titanic" - gee makes me wonder! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Hi DaveC !

I have just added a second Clive Cussler quote !

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Thanks for that. I especially enjoyed the precision and technical accuracy in his description of the Apollo missions. It's a good thing he knows more about the sea and long-lost sea wrecks or he'd have difficulty writing a child's story about finding a toy boat in a bathtub.
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Actor-comdedian Richard Belzer is probably the most outspoken celebrity proponent of the moon hoax. I have always wondered if he had some role in promoting the moon hoax to Nash Entertainment.
According to his book; <a href=http://www.randomhouse.com/BB/promos/ufosjfkandelvis/>UFOs, JFK, and Elvis: Conspiracies You Don't Have to be Crazy to Believe</a>; Belzer was quite friendly with the major HBs well before the Nash project was initiated. While Belzer is not a top celebrity to the general public, he is an influential; indeed, almost legendary; insider in the entertainment industry.

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You'll probably find that Mel Gibson believes the moon landing to be a hoax too since he is right into conspiracy theories.
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Ah, the old argumentum ad verecundiam. Haven't heard from one of those in a while. So if the Backstreet Boys all believe that eating unprocessed cheese curd gives you telepathic powers, that makes it all true?

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Ah, the old argumentum ad verecundiam. Haven't heard from one of those in a while. So if the Backstreet Boys all believe that eating unprocessed cheese curd gives you telepathic powers, that makes it all true?
Wow! I'd better get started on that unprocessed cheese curd then! *chomp chomp* I SEE THE FUTURE!
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JayUtah: ..that makes it all true?

Did he say it makes it all true?
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Oh, be careful Karamoon.
You're one of the HB's that I most respect. I believe JayUtah's comment was a question as well as being sarcastic.

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Well, to be perfectly honest, I feel that his question -- although quite valid -- played second fiddle to his informative posturing. Jay likes to eat hoax believers for breakfast, and sometimes it is only too evident. So I just thought I would poke him in the eye.
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Then with all due respect, and I do mean that because it it hard to know someone from just their web board postings, I apologize. But, if you've read some of the other threads here, people post not necessarily in direct response to another post, but more generally for the legions of lurkers (hey, I'm usually a lurker, I admit it) who may be listening.

I'm not going to suppose what JayUtah was actually thinking at the time or what he meant with his post, but sometimes, people enjoy a little humor.

If I mis-interpreted your post, I do apologize.

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For the record, I was giving a sarcastic example of the fallacy of argumentum ad verecundiam which I spent considerable time devising so it would be obviously absurd.

Also for the record, celebrity endorsements of an idea do not impress me unless the celebrity can give a meaningful argument in favor of the idea.

As for Karamoon: well, he loves poking people in the eye.
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Yeah, well it's funny until someone loses an eye...! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

By the way, what the heck does "verecundiam" translate as?
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Authority?

I'm not completely sure either, but it's describing the argument from authorty, so therefore...if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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Verecundia means literally shame or bashfulness, and in this sense refers to the adoration fans have for celebrities or heroes. Argumentum ad verecundiam loosely means, "appeal to hero-worship". The author wishes the reader to accept a proposition because it is believed by the reader's hero. It is an emotional appeal rather than a presentation of evidence.
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"One thing is clear-the moonshots may have been for real, but some of the photographic evidence appears to be crudely faked."

Uri Geller The Times 22 September 1999


Taken from the Aulis web site.
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Uri Geller should stick to what he knows - bending spoons. He's a charlattan and a trickster who has persisted in arguing that his ability to bend silverware is psychokinesis rather than illusion. For me, argumentum ad verecundiam doesn't work with Mr Geller as the "hero". Would you buy used silverware from this man?

Now his niece might have a better chance of convincing me!
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"One thing is clear-the moonshots may have been for real, but some of the photographic evidence appears to be crudely faked."

Uri Geller The Times 22 September 1999

Taken from the Aulis web site.
I wonder what Ed Mitchell thinks about that quote. After all, he is a good friend of Uri Geller.

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