Jay I am absolutely astounded. Your posts on GLP were simply brilliant.

It was a pleasure to read them!

Bravo =D>

Link?

Here is the thread, but I don't think Jay shows up until page 3.

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I'm confused about the GLP thread. Is there more than one "Anonymous Coward?" One seems to argue like Jay; the other is an HB.

Anyone that posts without registering or typing in another name will be labled an "Anonymous Coward". That is the "guest" of GLP.

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It's amazing how close-minded Interdimensional Warrior remains after Jay's posts. But it's GLP, what goes in one ear goes out the other.

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Actually, it looks like IDW went from adamently claiming the engines could never fire because they'd melt (and thus all the missions were faked) pre-Jay to claiming that, for some reason, they sent the landers to the moon and faked the relay post-Jay.

And, of course, he does this while maintaining that he didn't change his tune. It may have changed again, I stopped reading at page 6.

Now I have to go wash my eyes. This breaks my promise to never read GLP again. ugh.

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Is GLP still owned and operated by the spamware people? It's not like I ever really enjoyed going over there, but now I'm afraid to.

Hmm... Well if you want to go over there, you can use Dillo or something. Or Links. Yeah, Links will do it.

I wouldn't even think of going over there on a Windows box...

I use WinXP Pro with SP2 and all it's associated popup blockers and spyware killers. I have no problem going to GLP.

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WinXP home with microsoft Antispyware and Antivir, visiting GLP always went perfect (from a computer infecction opoint of view ), not even a block or quarantine waning. so even Bad Protection works against GLP it seems .

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It seems like there just isn't much that can get right over there. :roll:

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With Win2K Pro, Firefox 1.0, SpywareBlaster, MS Antispyware, no problems here. After having read the entire sorry (except for Jay's contributions and few others) thread, there were no successful spyware/malware attacks.

Now if only there were software which would clean up and scientifically transform the content of the posts by IDW and A&S. The latter's posts appear to indicate a case of hubris, whereas the former's, with their wild mood swings, indicate, well, let's just say the poor fellow seems to have some real emotional issues.

I hope both of them find their way back to a rational, fact-based way of looking at reality. But my use of the subjunctive to start the previous paragraph was, unfortunately, probably necessary.

This may be a little late in this thread, but anyone new to GLP should be advised that the language over there can be quite foul.

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Sadly, I'm afraid that some of them actually do! :roll:

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Aaaaaaaargh!!!!!

I've never been over ot GLP before, and now I've njust torn out my eyes so I cna't seq it any morew....

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LOL that first trip to GLP can be quite the shock.

I've been over there and my brain seems to have stopped functioning now....

Jay, you are a star!!!! How you managed to keep your cool and continue to argue rationally when all around you were ignoring common sense is beyond me! You have the proverbial patience of Job....

I always find it a little disheartening when possibly man's greatest ever adventure is dismissed with a phrase such as "just look at that foil lunar lander thing, it COULDN'T POSSIBLY have been used to land on the moon. It certainly doesn't look like something they would have made for Star Wars...." (or insert any suitable Sci-Fi film title of choice).

"Functionality" and "built for purpose" seem to be concepts they do not comprehend. The LM might not look "pretty" in many people's eyes, but for those of us who understand the concepts (and believe me I only understand the basic concepts, certainly nothing compared to Jay's great in-depth knowledge) it seems to make perfect sense to me.

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I'm running WinXP SP2 with the Microsoft Spyware sniffer (which works amazingly well, believe it or not). So far, I haven't picked up anything hostile from GLP except the vibe from some of the posters.

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Uh oh!! Sounds like you need the new Vibeware Eradicator program. Available from Hoax-R-Us Software Corp.

#-o

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Its alright, a visit from Dr. Absolut and a pair of Tylenol do the trick and I don't even have to give anyone my credit card number. :P

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I tried to make the point that the creaky appearance of the LM should make it more believable, not less - if they'd only been trying to fake it, they would have been focused on making it look convincing.

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Not only that -- to some of us (at least) the silly thing is downright beautiful.

I agree...even the way that it's lop-sided.

Hear, hear! =D>

Actually, between the glorious lines of the Saturn V, the (almost) traditional 'rocket-shape' symmetry of the CM/SM and the quirky functionality of the LM, the Apollo missions were just so aesthetically pleasing (although I do have a real soft spot for the Gemini capsule, which for some reason always reminds me of a car I used to own).

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I've always liked Gemini as well. In fact, I use a picture of Gemini for my Web page logo and as my avatar in other forums.

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Huh. I always wound up comparing my car to a Mercury capsule, mostly because of how much stuff I've managed to load into it.

Personally I agree ... on both counts!

Do the HB's actually understand (maybe a word alien to their vocabulary...) that the gold foil is actually a layer of mylar to help with heat reflection? The main structure is comparatively solid underneath the mylar.... (correct me if I am wrong here.....)

Interestingly the mylar layer is not evident on any of the test modules, including the "giant gantry" test lander unit. Surely this could be shown as a (admittedly very small) piece of evidence that they actually went? It was only on the real LM's because it was REALLY NEEDED!! Without the mylar the LM looks more "functional", with the mylar layer it looks too "flimsy and childish" .... surely an argument, in a way, that the LM was real and did go to the moon.... (no doubt someone will show the HB answer to this.....)

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I think the typical HB answer would be, "Go cash your NASA paycheck, you <fill in favorite invective here>!"

The crinkly gold stuff is aluminized Mylar. That brand of Mylar is naturally yellow, and it's installed with the Mylar side out to provide the proper optical properties for managing radiative heat transfer. It's installed by hand, and hand-crinkled to minimize conduction paths between layers. You are seeing the outermost layer of a "blanket" of Mylar and/or H-film about 18-24 layers deep. The many layers provide the same mode of protection as laminated tank armor -- layers of barriers strong enough to fracture incoming material, separated by empty space or softer material to allow the fragments to diverge before striking the next layer. This has the effect of spreading out micrometeoroid impacts.

The aluminized Mylar is mostly on the descent stage. In some cases the outer layer of the blanket is black H-film. The H-film is used where additional thermal insulation is required because of engine plume impingement, or where less aggressive optical properties are required (e.g., in the right rear quadrant). All that stuff is taped in place using tape made from the Mylar and/or H-film itself. It's as close to duck-tape as you can get without it really being duck-tape.

The ascent stage skin is sheet aluminum alloy, cut roughly into panels and fastened to the underlying framework using fasteners akin to rivets. These panels are neither load-bearing (except as they contribute to the monococque design) nor airtight. They are simply the thermal and micrometeoroid shield for the upper stage. The fasteners incorporate thermal insulation to limit heat conduction to the structure. In some areas the thermal design is changed to increase the heat transfer to the interior. The hypergolic propellants must be kept essentially at room temperature, and so a pattern of light and dark panels was devised to provide proper heat transfer characteristics in a variety of view factors.

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WOW! A reply from the great Jay W. himself! It never ceases to amaze me what I learn on here. I think I must pick up something new just about every day!

Jay, are you ever likely to get yourself over the pond for anything on TV or radio on our great (?) BBC (or other brit TV/radio?). Any time you are coming over let us Brits know and we will do what we can to make you welcome!

I'm afraid we're not very close to London, although Stratford is only just down the road from here ..... 8)

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