Welcome, BoiseSkyWatcher. Your caps lock button seems to be stuck in the "on" position; you might want to look to that.

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The military has been spraying our skies for over 6 years. It's a crime against all people. Many people are dying from it, and others are made so ill, that they can not function.

Now that I've turned your caps down (all caps is considered shouting and is very rude,) are you planning to back up this, or are you just planning to wave your hands in the air and make unsupported claims?

By the way, I don't live in the US. We have two airlines that fly high altitude jets in my country, and I can recognise both from the gound (one has a blue tail and white fuselage, the other a red tail and white fuselage.) Because of having just the two companies, I can tell you the flight # and destination (they are all either Wellington or Christchurch bound) of the flights that pass over my house (I live under the main N-S air route, right where the pilots make a slight turn to correct their direction back in towards Wellington and avoid the turbulance over the mountain next door.) Both airline's planes can leave long lasting contrails when the weather conditions are suitable for it, I can even usually predict if a contrail will last or not just by looking at the type of clouds that are about at the time (high fine cirrus is a sure fire condition for long term trails, though not the only sign.) Now given that I have seen these sort of trails from comerical jets for the last 20 odd years (about as long as I have been skywatching) what evidence do you have that a long lasting trail is something sinister and not just a long lasting contrail?

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It's amazing how we are always assumed to have never seen any of this stuff before. I assume because they have only discovered it themselves - whatever it happens to be. Anyway, I think it was a hit and run from some random GLPer. Nothing to see here, move along.

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Hi BoiseSkyWatcher. Welcome to BAUT. You might wish to read the FAQs and the rules to understand how this forum works.

Instead of just linking to sites, you might wish to explain in your own words what evidence you have that the military is spraying our skies.

And, as others have said, turn off the CAP LOCK key please.

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Of course, the CBs(?) overlook a few details:

How exactly are these chemicals dispersed?

If they're mixed with the fuel and come out with the exhaust, I would doubt anything would survive the heat of combustion intact. If the additive in question is not flammable, so as to pass through unharmed, it could only be in very small quantities lest performance suffer or the engine be damaged (think water in gasoline.) Futhermore, not every airline buys its fuel from the same source, not all jet fuel comes from the same refinery, and not all Jet Fuel is formulated the same (Jet-A, JP4, Jet-A1 are all jet fuels but are chemically different) so how does the Evil Government ensure that the chemicals are being universally sprayed?

If these nefarious substances are in separate tanks and sprayed that way, where are these tanks located? In airliners I know, the fuel tanks take up the whole wing. Also, chemicals weigh a lot. Airlines (indeed, all aircraft operators) are always concerned with weight and balance. Jet-A alone weighs something like 6 lbs/gallon IIRC. I don't think any airline would sacrifice half its range or passenger capacity for the Evil Government.

And of course, no airliner blueprints ever show extra tanks/pumps/nozzles, no weight-and-balance sheet ever accounts for the extra weight of the chemicals (nor has any airliner crashed because this weight was ignored), no airline refueler, airliner fabricator, aircraft mechanic, etc, has ever noticed the extra equipment necessary to spray the chemicals. I'm sure the pumps, tanks, and hoses need to be serviced every now and again. Someone has to be refilling the chemical tanks. Someone has to build the aircraft with the spraying equipment. Or are the airliners just sent to Area 51 for modification and preventative maintenance?

Naturally, the CBs will just say EVERYONE from the CEO down to the lowliest frontline employee of every aircraft manufacturer, airline, oil company, trucking firm, tool fabricator, and airport authority in the world is in on it.

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Not to mention that spraying any kind of agent from such high altitudes is ineffective. You could spray anthrax, VX, GB, or XYZ-QED from 30,000 ft and not hurt anyone, what with the dispersion and inactivation by sunlight and temperature swings. But such facts never bother the conspiracists.

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They don't use regular airlines to do it, they use aircraft that have been adapted and they are flown out of Govt installations.

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Wow.

This is a new zaniness for me. Never heard of this one before. Makes me wonder what else is out there.

Thanks everybody for the nice "Talk like a pirate day" present.

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um what about the fact that contrails only work at certain altitudes and yet I've seen several of them at different altitudes creating the "contrails" ?
actually a while back there was a report from a mechanical engineer saying he saw strange goings on while repairing a jet now I've lost sight of if I find it I'll be back. its quite old but its from the inside man!!
anyway riddle me this, usually the contrails dissipate within minutes of the aircrafts passing yet these ones not only do not dissipate but spread.

for the record I don't know what it is I just know the facts its been around for years you can see it easily and all the news and authorities give out is propaganda of haphazard answers while others give out counter propaganda (such as so called "mind control" ) jeez but the truth is hard to find!

I once knew a kid who said he could identify airplanes by their contrails. Is that even possible?

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um what about the fact that contrails only work at certain altitudes and yet I've seen several of them at different altitudes creating the "contrails" ?

They appear under the right atmospheric conditions, which are dictated partially -- but not completely -- by altitude. Pressure and temperature are the key factors.

...actually a while back there was a report from a mechanical engineer saying he saw strange goings on while repairing a jet...

I also once heard a vague third-hand story of a guy who saw something strange. Does that mean any crackpot idea I come up with should be taken seriously?

...its quite old but its from the inside man!!

I am an engineer. "Chemtrails" are bogus. They're easily explained, easily understood condensation trails that occur as a natural consequence of operating jet engines under various conditions.

anyway riddle me this, usually the contrails dissipate within minutes of the aircrafts passing yet these ones not only do not dissipate but spread.

Atmospheric conditions. Contrails will either dissipate or not depending on them. Atmospheric pressure and temperature vary with altitude, time, and weather zones.

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Airlines now have mechanical engineers repairing jets? Wow, talk about cost cutting/lean/six sigma!

Hope they're better trained than one mechanical engineer who came into the quality lab asking to borrow a micrometer. I pointed to a rack that contained a number of micrometers, the usual 0-1"s and a variety of sizes up to 11-12", plus some other gages.

He promptly picked up 0-6" dial calipers and left. Hope meaningful readings of .0001" weren't an issue.

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I can generally tell by looking at the clouds that are around whether a contrail will persist or disapate. Most of the time I am right.

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Not just jets. Link

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Same here. If there's a warm front approaching and the first few wisps of cirrus clouds start appearing, it's a done deal that any contrails will not only linger but will also become part of the overcast as it turns into cirrostratus, etc.

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Not nessesarily.

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That's an amazing picture.

Hey, look at all the "chem" that's getting wasted in the "trails" out over the Atlantic. Perhaps "they" are trying to modify the behavior of mermaids too. (Scare quotes included intentionally.)

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Get yourself a good pair of these. You can actually see the the contrails are forming a good distance behind the engines. They are clearly *not* coming from tanks or sprayers on the wings.

You can also see markings on commercial aircraft.

Seems those mermaids live here in Europe too...
Where Mermaids live...

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