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Old 10-January-2008, 02:20 AM
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The loop may have been formed by a plane in a holding pattern, depends where the photo was taken really, was there a major airport somewhere near?
Photo is looking west. Small, international Airport is due east, southeast, 40 miles away. Of course, the loop in the pic is much, much further away than 40 miles, and probably had floated some before the pic was taken. Winds were probably wnw.
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In most cases the mystery agent seems to be blamed for nearly every sort of human physical suffering, with emphasis on respiratory problems. It's not necessarily intended for mind-control; for some reason TPTB just want to make us all sick.
Ah ha! So, its all a plot by antihistamine makers!
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Old 10-January-2008, 03:47 AM
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Tofu, are those photoshopped or just fuel dumping?
My guess is that both are photoshopped.
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I've often wondered what this magic brainwashing chemical is supposed to be? Is it, for example, suppose to make you believe some particular thing, like NASA really landed men on the moon or vote for some particular politician?
Let's see if the anti-memory drugs haven't completely swamped my ability to recall what I've heard listening to put-me-to-sleep Coast to Coast AM....

The chemicals are to reverse the effects of global warming. The chemicals are to weaken immune systems because the New-World-Order Illuminati will soon drop the population to 500 million. Planetary defense: the chemicals kill alien invaders and do less damage to humans.

That's all now. The rest has mysteriously disappeared.

But, Wikipedia has a list:

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Suggested purposes of the chemtrails include:

Weather control (perhaps to counter the effects of global warming),
Military purposes
wireless network system component
sophisticated radar system
Scientific study
Biological warfare
Hegemonic mind control
Occult purposes
You name it, chemtrails do it.
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Old 10-January-2008, 05:40 AM
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That's an amazing picture.

Hey, look at all the "chem" that's getting wasted in the "trails" out over the Atlantic. Perhaps "they" are trying to modify the behavior of mermaids too. (Scare quotes included intentionally.)
Mermaids, schmermaids, those chemtrails are over the Bermuda Triangle™. The Illuminati/alien reptile connection is complete. Case closed.

BTW, it's a little known fact that chemtrails were how we defeated Nazi Germany in WWII. They infiltrated Hitler's brain and caused him to start believing in astrology, resulting in such brilliant military moves as invading the U.S.S.R. Heck, even Cliff Clavin knew that.
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[edit]And contrary to popular belief, not every mechanical engineer in the world has memorized the rack of General Electric engine repair manuals, so what he thinks is strange may not necessarily be....
And knowing all those GE manuals sure wouldn't help if the engine in question had been manufactured by P&W.
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Old 10-January-2008, 01:30 PM
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how we defeated Nazi Germany in WWII[/url]. They infiltrated Hitler's brain and caused him to start believing in astrology, resulting in such brilliant military moves as invading the U.S.S.R.
Actually Hitler went with one of Germanys Reichsflugscheibe to
New_Swabia and is waiting for his return to the "Fourth Reich"

At least thats what some of the worse woowoos belief.
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............. Especially with trails forming at the corners of control surfaces, they can come and go at intervals of a few seconds.
I see that quite a bit with the F16's on maneuvers from the ANG base near here. I also see many contrails from assorted passenger jets flying at high altitude over me (middle of nowhere) going somewhere.

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Contrails from control surfaces occur when the control surface deflects into the airstream in a way that affects its water-holding properties. Water vapor in the air condenses out under the local pressure conditions created by the interaction of the surface with the air. That will persist only for as long as the humidity is right and as long as the control surface and airflow maintain their relationship.

It's not uncommon to see brief contrails from the tips of the trailing edges of your ailerons while landing in San Francisco in the morning (typically cold and humid) as you roll left and right at approach speed (i.e., when the ailerons require proportionally greater travel).
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Old 10-January-2008, 09:31 PM
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Um, the mental picture I get when I hear about stuff being sprayed from planes is pesticide.
Do the CT's think somebody is trying to kill us off like bugs? ;-)
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Um, the mental picture I get when I hear about stuff being sprayed from planes is pesticide.
Do the CT's think somebody is trying to kill us off like bugs? ;-)
If they are, maybe they should do it when flying at lower altitudes...
Next time you see a 747 approaching on you in an altitude of 150m, be sure to hold your breath.
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Old 10-January-2008, 09:51 PM
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Next time you see a 747 approaching on you in an altitude of 150m, be sure to hold your breath.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
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Old 11-January-2008, 12:27 AM
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I've often wondered what this magic brainwashing chemical is supposed to be? Is it, for example, suppose to make you believe some particular thing, like NASA really landed men on the moon or vote for some particular politician? How exactly does one make a chemical to be that specific?

Or is it supposed to have some sort of general effect, like a narcotic or a hallucinogenic? If so, what would be the point of spraying it over such a large area?

And what would be the hypothetical concentration at ground level of such a chemical, when sprayed over such a large area from such a high altitude? How does one control exactly what areas get sprayed, given the wind directions at various altitudes?

Apparently it is some sort of mind control chemical which causes people to develop paranoia and loose critical thinking skills.
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Old 11-January-2008, 03:01 PM
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Apparently it is some sort of mind control chemical which causes people to develop paranoia and loose critical thinking skills.
My God! Its working! We now have proof!

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Old 11-January-2008, 08:04 PM
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Both of those photos are fuel dumping, imo.

The EA-6 Mercury TACAMO plane had to have it's fuel dump valves moved inboard due to the electronic gear and trailing wire antenna equipment mounted in the wing tips near where the valves would normally be on a 707.
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Contrails from control surfaces occur when the control surface deflects into the airstream in a way that affects its water-holding properties. Water vapor in the air condenses out under the local pressure conditions created by the interaction of the surface with the air. That will persist only for as long as the humidity is right and as long as the control surface and airflow maintain their relationship.

It's not uncommon to see brief contrails from the tips of the trailing edges of your ailerons while landing in San Francisco in the morning (typically cold and humid) as you roll left and right at approach speed (i.e., when the ailerons require proportionally greater travel).
This is because the tips of lifting surfaces like - eg the end of an aileron or the actual wing tip - generate trailing vortices with low pressure at their cores. The vortex is caused by air from the high pressure side of the surface flowing around the tip to the low pressure side. Combining this motion with the overall direction of the external airflow produces a helical flow - a vortex. The effect is similar to the clouds you sometimes see around the wings of high-speed aircraft in humid conditions, but different from the contrails caused by water vapour from the engines, as low pressure contrails dissappear when the pressure rises downstream as air viscosity disperses the vortex.
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Is it possible to tell the type of plane by looking at the contrail? I had a friend who once said he could.
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At one time, it might've been possible. For example (and considering US airliners), if you saw two contrails very close together, it might well be a DC-9. If they were separated a bit, they could've been a 737. Three contails could be a 727 if they were close together and distinguishable. If they were spread apart, they might be an L-1011 or DC-10. Four contrails would've most likely been a Boeing 707, 720 (kind of rare) or 747. They could've also been a DC-8 with the slight possibility of being a Convair 880 or 990 (but those were fairly rare). It could even possibly be a B-52 (8 engines mounted 2 to a pylon produced 4 distinguishable contrails).

It isn't so easy today. Consider the case where you see two separated contrails in parallel:

Is it a 737, an A-300, A-320 (or 318, 319), A-330, 757, or 767? It really isn't possible to tell.

Two engines close together could be a large business jet like a Gulfstream, a regional jet, or one of the DC-9 derivatives (e.g. MD-80). Again, it really isn't possible to tell.
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I once saw a program on TV (it was about UFOs) in which a former British pilot claimed that certain contrails (looked like they left vortices or corkscrew-shaped contrails) were special hypersonic aircraft.

Not two days after that