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Old 28-April-2005, 05:46 PM
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Well I think I may have found at least one of the sources for the mis-information on the radiation in space. If you look at the 1959 Congressional Space Handbook (link: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...nd/environ.htm) you will find the following paragraph:
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Explorer IV data indicate that radiation intensity increases by a factor of several thousand between 180 and 975 miles, with a rapid rise beginning at about 240 miles. The level of radiation may reach as much as 10 roentgens per hour -enough to deliver an average lethal dose in 2 days to an unshielded human being.
I am assuming this data is pretty preliminary at the time as it doesn't seem to describe the type of radiation. It goes on to say:

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The apparent dose rate at altitudes between about 300 and 400 miles lies within the accepted AEC steady-state tolerance level for human beings of 300 milliroentgens per week (1.79 milliroentgens per hour). Therefore, this radiation belt does not interdict low-altitude manned satellites. It does imply that manned satellites orbiting at altitudes greater than 300 to 400 miles would require some shielding, the weight of shielding increasing up to the greatest altitude for which we have fairly firm information (roughly 1,200 miles). Beyond this altitude, the radiation levels are uncertain, but it is expected that at some altitude a maximum must be reached after which the dosage rates should diminish.
So somewhere along the line "sone shielding" became 2 meters of shielding. I just thought the 2 days for a lethal dose came too close to IDW rantings.
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Shielding against charged particle radiation means plastic. And they didn't spend 2 days there or travel through the worst parts.
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I understand that - I was just pointing out a place where one of the arguements used by HB may have come from.
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Stop blaming poor congress for everything.

The thing with the woo clan is they'll cling to something like that even though it's outdated. i.e.

"In 1959 congress said that the sheilding has to be two meters thick. That proves that they knew in 1959 that they couldn't go to the moon. OMG woowoo!"
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That particular figure comes from John Mauldin's Prospects for Interstellar Travel. He recommends two meters of shielding for generation ships sent to explore other stars.

Of course that's for interstellar space, where the solar wind doesn't apply. It's also meant to attenuate that radiation for the entire human lifespan, not just for two weeks.

The latter statement needs some clarification. You never fully get rid of radiation. You just attenuate it to safe or tolerable level. You can tolerate higher doses if the duration is short. So it's acceptable to expose astronauts briefly to a higher radiation dose for a one- or two-week mission if they aren't going to do that again any time soon, or for the rest of their lives. But if they're going to spend all their lives in a high-radiation environment, you have to attenuate that radiation permanently down to the level they would have experienced on Earth during their natural lives, from day to day. That requires greater shielding.

It really irks me to be told by conspiracists that my thinking is too "conventional" and not exotic enough, when they propound naive theories that consider only certain elements of the radiation problem. They ignore completely duration of exposure and the characteristics of radiation toleration. All they can think about is raw momentary dosage and thickness of shielding.
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