Sorry if this has come up before, but I just wondered if there was anything at all of interest in this article.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html

There are lots of quotes from various scientists and Apolo astronauts, amazingly. Are any of them worthy of interest?

Yes, these claims have been around for quite a while.

More and more people are coming forward with stories of an Alien presence on the Moon.

Unfortunately without any evidence.

Did you ever wonder why the Moon landings stopped and why we have not tried to build a Moon Base?

No. It's a pretty straightforward story of political loss of interest.

Milton Cooper a Naval Intelligence Officer tell us that not only does the Alien Moon Base exist...

This is the classic, "I can tell you, but then I'll have to kill you" approach. It's quite common for conspiracists to claim some former involvement in top secret affairs. You can't verify it because, after all, their involvment was "top secret". But neither can you refute it; if Cooper's name is not listed anywhere, it's because it was "purged". And despite all this cloak-and-dagger secrecy to eradicate his name and involvement from these supposed shady dealings to which he alone can bear witness, there's apparently no problem with his appearances on Art Bell or any other venue blabbing the whole thing to anyone who cares to listen.

The good thing about this type of "expert" is the limited shelf life. The more they are called up to tell their story, the more they have to make up in order to keep the material fresh and interesting. And the more detail they add to their story, the greater the chances they will start spewing verifiable details.

Of course we cannot directly refute or verify anything Cooper says, but when he describes a completely wrong process for accessing and dealing with top secret documents and information, we begin rightly to suspect he is not who he claims to be. His entire argument rests on his having been a former intelligence officer. So it's not trivial when he can't correctly describe the details of being an intelligence officer.

Did Apollo 11 Encounter UFOs on the Moon? from the Book "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good

Thoroughly discredited many years ago.

According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange...

Binder never worked for NASA. He was a science fiction writer and an author of comic books.

NASA: What's there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11...

If you spend much time listening to Apollo air-to-ground conversations you realize immediately how silly it is to try to pass off something like this as genuine Apollo radio traffic.

The air-to-ground transmissions were not made over VHF, but rather over S-band radio. And it is indeed true that many people were able to listen in on the Apollo radio traffic, yet to this day not one operator has confirmed these claims. Several, in fact, have disputed it.

We have the statements by...Dr. Garry Henderson...

No. Henderson repudiates the quote Timothy Good attributed to him.

In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems...

No. Chatelain was a technician for RCA who once did some work installing equipment at the operations building. He was subsequently fired. He was nowhere near Mission Control for Apollo 11, nor was he ever an employee of NASA, nor did he have any sort of leadership or directorial role in communications.

"According to our information, the encounter was reported immediately after the landing of the module," said Dr. Vladimir Azhazha, a physicist and Professor of Mathematics at Moscow University.

He's a big UFO enthusiast in Russia. His "information" in this case is simply the claims made by Good and attributed to others. He is not confirming them; simply repeating them.

Before dismissing Chatelain's sensational claims, it is worth noting his impressive background in the aerospace industry and space program...

All fabricated. Chatelain is a UFO enthusiast who made the standard circuit of conventions embellishing both his claims and his resume at each turn. He was never a member of any operational space team at NASA, or even connected more than tangentially with NASA communications.

"I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules..."

Hogwash. The astronauts were delighted to have received a "Christmas present" in the form of a working SPS motor, meaning they could return home and not die in lunar orbit. UFO enthusiasts simply transform every reference to something they don't immediately understand into a "veiled" reference to flying saucers.

Rumors persist.

As rumors are wont to do. However the facts left the building decades ago. There is nothing but evasion and deception from these claimants.

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous...

Thereby preventing anyone from verifying his story. This site leaves off the typical preface, which is that Good was approached by this professor at some convention. We're supposed to believe that this guy needs the protection of anonymity when he's dumb enough to just spill the beans to a stranger on the street. That's the kind of story that's just too good to be true.

Specialist for lunar artifacts Richard Hoagland says...

...nothing especially different from what he usually says.

It's the standard gloss of Above Top Secret that makes its way around UFO circles. There's very little fact associated with it.

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It seems that anybody can write anything on a website and attribute fabricated quotes to people with total impunity. Personally, I think the whole thing is just a collection of lies. It might be one thing for an astronaut to believe there are such things as intelligent aliens in the vicinity of Earth and quite another for any of them to claim they have seen them. I'd be willing to bet that the quotes attributed to Neil Armstrong are either completely fabricated or so distorted in context as to be meaningless. Certainly if was so secret, as the rest of the page states, why would Armstrong be blathering about it at a NASA symposium? Sounds like the work of Richard Hoagland or our old "friend" Piper who used to grace this bulletin board with his irrational rantings.

Gordon Cooper was one of the astronauts who believed we have encountered intelligent ETs, but this is the first time I've heard it attributed to Armstrong or Aldrin. It's all nonsense, you know!

Very nice job, JayUtah. Thank you.

Regards, tbm

"I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words."

Jay's response of course refers to the Jim Lovell quote. The meaning of Lovell's remark is obvious and it is absurd to look for anything cryptic in it.

The Walter Schirra reference is to his Gemini 6 flight (with Tom Stafford) on December 15-16, 1965. Toward the end of the flight Schirra made a comment about seeing an unidentified object traveling from the north and getting ready to reenter the atmosphere. He then quickly added a "Merry Christmas". It is clear his remark was nothing but a light-hearted reference Santa Claus, being so close to Christmas. After the mission, Schirra said he hoped children hearing the comment got a kick out of it. It is again ridiculous to read anything more into it.

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Thanks, Bob. Yes, Schirra's quote is in a different context than Lovell's. The rest of the paragraph from which I snipped goes on to discuss Lovell's statement on Apollo 8, but the mission alluded to in the snip is Mercury 8.

The error is the same in both cases. The conspiracists assume that any reference they do not immediately recognize as narrowly belonging to space exploration "must" be some veiled reference to some other nefarious thing.

I'm reminded of Don Wilson's butchery of Apollo transcripts (Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon, 1975) in like fashion. His thesis is that Apollo astronauts were trying to describe in code the various alien artifacts they were seeing.

Most egregiously Wilson simply edits and garbles the transcripts at will to make them sound less coherent. Then he can make the case that they're talking in code because he surely can't understand what's happening. In the benign cases, Wilson simply hasn't become familiar with the specialized vocabulary the astronauts had adopted through their geology training and from their piloting experience. Wilson is puzzled by such mundane radio language as the phonetic alphabet. He argues that the astronauts should have spoken in plain English for the benefit of the lay taxpayer who sent them there.

Ironically when dealing with geological language that is plainly descriptive (e.g., "terrace", "bench", "dome", and "tunnel") Wilson changes tack entirely and suggests that these cannot be scientific geological descriptions and must therefore refer to the artificial versions of those objects! If an astronaut notes a "terraced" hillside, then it can only be the work of alien gardners.

Selective and bizarre interpretation seems to be the norm for conspiracists. In another thread we spoke of "Ceci n'est pas une pipe," and considered the question of literalness in interpretation. But here it seems there are people intent on holding Magritte's painting upside down and looking at with a paper bag over their heads.

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I just looked up the Schirra quote in the NASA mission reports. Here is what is says:

Several hours before retrofire, during a pass over the States, Schirra made the following report to Mission Control:

"This is Gemini VI. We have an object, looks like a satellite, going from north to south, up in a polar orbit. He's in a very low trajectory . . . looks like he may be going to reenter pretty soon. Stand by . . . it looks like he's trying to signal us." This transmission was immediately followed by Jingle Bells, played by harmonica and bells. Thus, the spirit of the season was brought into the mission.

Speaking of that report, at the Gemini VII-VI news conference in Houston on December 30, Schirra said, in part, ". . . Our intent was not a prank. It was to relieve the tension . . . I think we convinced Chris and many of the people on the flight control team that we did, in fact, have an unidentified flying object there. And, I think the children of this country are happier for the fact that we might have seen something there."

I think it's pretty clear Schirra, who was known for practical jokes, was just having fun with Mission Control. Besides, there is certainly nothing cryptic in his comments. He came right out a said (jokingly) that he saw a UFO and described it. Were is the coded message?

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But there really are hidden alien bases on the back side of the moon. One time when I was in a trance I accidently astro-projected myself there and saw the Zetas and...

Oh, wait, this is BABB. Never mind.

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Did Schirra get in to the same trouble by refering to Christnas, a religious festival, that Lovell did by quoting Genesis?

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Is this more of the "Alternative 3" stuff coming back?

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err, what the crap :-?

since when are wild speculations and "suggestions" confirmed by freaking legends and myths

i mean seriously...that's such a gross misuse of the word confirmed i hardly know where to start

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Why yes, there are cities on the moon--with free gasoline...and WMDs-- and there is a farce ( mean face) in Cydonia. Now double NASA's budget Mr. President.

I had such a depraved ( I mean deprived) childhood.

I like how the quote says its confirmed by something which was invented (IE made up)