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Old 10-June-2005, 01:44 AM
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...Many Germans think, for example, that the 1969 moon landing was faked, and a poll published in the weekly Die Zeit showed that 31 percent of Germans younger than 30 "think that there is a certain possibility that the U.S. government ordered the attacks of 9/11."

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050...5942-4588r.htm

Many Germans think life under communism was better too.
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regretfully there are a lot of gullible people of any nationality.

after a few years i have come to the conclusion that partly this increase in woo-woo believers is caused by the internet. i wouldn't be surprised if more than 50% of what you can find on the internet is bunk. when it's so easy to spread ridiculous ideas and conspiracy therories a lot more people will be reached and affected.

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It seems to me that many HBs are too young to have witnessed the Apollo program first hand. I'm old enough to have lived through and greatly appreciated the whole program. To me, it is inconceivable that what I saw with my own eyes (albeit on TV) was faked. Similarly for anti-holocaust believers and many other so-called conspiracies.
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... So? A lot of the kids at my high school are smokers... Does that mean that smoking is healthy? No.

The majority of Americans are Christian. Does this make Christianity any more valid than any other religion? No.

A lot of Americans seem to think that Reagan was a really great guy. Does that make his administration any less corrupt? No.

So now you're saying that a significant number of Germans believe in some sort of conspiracy. Does that make that conspiracy theory any more correct?

No!
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The majority of Americans are Christian. Does this make Christianity any more valid than any other religion? No.

A lot of Americans seem to think that Reagan was a really great guy. Does that make his administration any less corrupt? No.
ridiculous political rhetoric...

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There were a lot of Germans that thought Hitler was the Bee's Knees, too.

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The article provides no substaciation for this claim, being that it is the Washington Times, Emperor Moonie der Uno Loony Tune's fat mouthpiece, I would not be suprised that they pulled this out of their arse.

I think in this case the usage of the Moon hoax was just a unwarranted device to discredit and belittle Germans.
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I hear or read rarely about conspiracies in our media. I don't think, we are more or less gullible than other people. Maybe, due to historical lessons learnt, we are less gullible and more critical. You've always a small percentage that have any opinion you are asking for.

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...Many Germans think, for example, that the 1969 moon landing was faked, and a poll published in the weekly Die Zeit showed that 31 percent of Germans younger than 30 "think that there is a certain possibility that the U.S. government ordered the attacks of 9/11."
I wouldn't think 31 percent of Germans younger than 30 is a huge percentage of the population of Germany. Besides, how would a 2 or 3 year old know anything about the moon landing, yet? Me thinks this article is very misleading. :wink:
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Here a link to the original article in "Die Zeit" (in German). It's two years old and about conspiracy theories.
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Here a link to the original article in "Die Zeit" (in German). It's two years old and about conspiracy theories.
...and there is no mention of Lunar Hoaxes.
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...Many Germans think, for example, that the 1969 moon landing was faked, and a poll published in the weekly Die Zeit showed that 31 percent of Germans younger than 30 "think that there is a certain possibility that the U.S. government ordered the attacks of 9/11."

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050...5942-4588r.htm
Given that Goeller/Kralev team preceeded the above quote with this:
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As ludicrous as it may sound to most Americans, the tale has resonance in Germany, where fantastic conspiracy theories often are taken as fact
I wonder how they feel about this gem in The Washington Post on September 1, 2004:
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A Zogby poll released Monday said that 49 percent of New York City residents believed that national leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned . . . and that they consciously failed to act."
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It is a huge difference between "ordering the attack", and "failing to act", but to me, the word "consciously" connotes a conspiracy, or at best, criminal incompetence. At least they ended the piece with the quote from the German diplomat
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"It was so out of line with what people really think," the diplomat said, adding that the episode does not deserve further comment."
So, the show, and the news story, are both irrelevant. Like the X-Files.


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I hear or read rarely about conspiracies in our media. I don't think, we are more or less gullible than other people. Maybe, due to historical lessons learnt, we are less gullible and more critical. You've always a small percentage that have any opinion you are asking for.

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It seems the hoaxers and debunkers are at it in Germany with the same vigor seen on US websites.

Example of a links page from a German debunking site

kucharek, any comments on this fellow's site?

BTW, do you know if Wisnewski's forum got much attention before it was wrecked? I recall reading some of your responses to his silly questions in November, ending each with something to the effect of "Yeah, so what, exactly, is the problem?" Belatedly, =D>
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I hear or read rarely about conspiracies in our media. I don't think, we are more or less gullible than other people. Maybe, due to historical lessons learnt, we are less gullible and more critical. You've always a small percentage that have any opinion you are asking for.

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It seems the hoaxers and debunkers are at it in Germany with the same vigor seen on US websites.

Example of a links page from a German debunking site

kucharek, any comments on this fellow's site?
Well, if you go to the forum of that page, you see I'm a frequent poster there. There is another good debunking site at http://www.apollo-projekt.de/ with a forum where I frequently post.
They are good indicators if somewhere the hoax was published in some media. Then suddenly many people start to post. But with regards to this, it is pretty dead.
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No, this forum was dead soon after it was started. Wisnewski posted some silly initial questions which were answered by me and some fellow debunkers and then it was pretty dead. I don't know if he still wants to make a book on the subject.
He became also known by his 9/11 busines, a field of which I stayed out as I think its not only silly, but simply disgusting.
Another crackpot in the moonhoax area is Gernot Geise, http://www.glgeise.de/ He repeats all the silly stuff from his American predecessors Hoagland and Rene. He has also a lot of silly theories about some historical and archeological subjects.

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Well, if you go to the forum of that page, you see I'm a frequent poster there.
Doh! There's the board, and there you are! Busy.

I guess your comment about media coverage applies here too. It has waned somewhat from what I recall in the past.

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