At least according to this guy. I think. At least that's what he said here. I think.

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And maybe I could jump higher if I grabbed my bootstraps and yanked on them as I jumped

So there must be a global government coverup to keep us from knowing about those engines that keep the earth spinning around.

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Well, when I look at his Human Abduction page picture, I tend to think he's either had a bad acid trip or he loves playing with his PC - either way, what he has to say about NASA is unremarkably suspect and not worth the time for me to indulge. [-(

...but still the "human abduction" is pretty funny.

Edited: I'm sorry, TruthUFO, you're right that's not fair of me to joke when you may be earnest and serious about the matter. I thought the human abduction picture was "funny," and so often we see strange sites come up. Please accept my apologies, I was joking...and yes, I did look around a little.

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if your going to copy my post least you could post the entire thing bud.. and as for you Melusine if my post is not worth your time than why open your mouth?? obviously it is worth your time.. or you would not take the time to post a reply..


NASA is and has always been a total SHAM.

Back in the early 1940's a alien craft crash and recovery happened. Our government knew nothing
about where it was from, what it wanted, and if they where friendly or not. You know all the questions the
American public would demand answerers to upon acquiring this information. Good reason for a gag
order I would say.. The more craft recoveries n such the more reason for secrecy, yet sooner than later
our people began pushing for travel and knowledge of space.

What if our government knew at this time, there was an alien base on the moon, mars etc already? And
now our people want to go there, How would we deal with this? Well we have to tell them the truth, or
Trick them somehow and control the amount of knowledge they can acquire about space travel and alien existance.
I give you NASA, Our governments Way of controlling the peoples knowledge of space and time travel.
Don't believe me yet? Listen.

I use to believe in NASA till I turned about 17 and I begun questioning NASA as well as Human
propulsion technology itself. I would often wonder things such as "why the heck would anyone with a brain
work on an aircraft that Blows ALL its recourses out the back and waste it all"? Why not use it in a
spinning manner or some form that may save energy and reuse it or something?

Then Bob Lazar came out with his Story of Gravity Application. When I was young we where allover this anti matter idea.
Yet Bobs idea seems to be exactly the opposite, As appose to making something wiegh less by means of
anti matter, Bobs idea was to make more Gravity so we produce waves as well as the ability to travel
through worm holes. This Idea soon became so much the truth in how space travel must be done that
Bob Lazar invented the most brilliant lie of all time or he really did work on a craft. David Adair said he
would not work on the alien craft he was shown, because he realized his life work was a sham when he
had seen what technology our government possessed.

Point! The longest Human to stay in space was a Russian Astronaut, I believe he lasted something
like 410 days in space. 410 Days is not long enough to even go to mars. It took 4 men to help lift the
Russian astronaut out of the capsule because of severe atrophy. But at the time this was a great feat,
All the Americans at NASA where all over learning how the Russians lasted so long in space. So they
started to study the methods of Russia, Rubber bands and bungee cords Bow flex like devices . But the
truth here is there is now and never will be any way to tie a rubber band to your vital origins, like your
heart. A man in space is like a beached whale, And no rubber band will attach to ones heart. So how
would we then fix this problem one might ask?

Well You have no choice but to Amplify gravity, Its the only way. There is one simple way to amplify
gravity. If you have ever been to an amusement park you may have seen the ride called the Gravitron, It
looks like a UFO and spins and you stick to the wall. Well in space a craft such as this will make you walk
as if you had G. It also will replicate the g force on your origins. But there we are using a lot of energy to
spin for Gravity but wouldn't we need this energy for travel? Well maybe we could incorporate the spin
for Gravity or travel.

The other way would be To amplify gravity in a manner such as both the Bob Lazar and David Adair story.
And if we could amplify Gravity in this manner we then could bend SpaceTime and not have any time spent
in space travel. And with no Time spent in space travel you need not exercise.

This is the power of Bob Lazars story of Gravity Amplification. The bottom line is, In space travel One
Must have Gravity amplification of one kind or another, or long distant space travel is not possible. And
if we learn space travel is impossible without gravity amplification, why would we stop at a spinning
device as low tech as a gravitron? I would think we would go elite, do the true Gravity amplification and
solve ALL the problems of space travel. Space debris, Time spent in space, Fuel used in long distance
travel.

Gravity amplification cuts Both space and Time out of the travel. The Power Of G. AMP is that we bring
our destination to us. And the bottom line here is NASA has to be fake because the supposed space
travel technology went obsolete back in the 50's before you even knew it existed. And NASA would have
you believe that they will use this same monkey technology to go to mars? I think it is about time NASA
stops feeding its people BS . We know there is a problem when the 15 year olds of our nation are asking
questions like , why are we still using Neanderthal space travel technology?

jin More On This at www.truthufo.com

Hi thruthufo Welcome to the board.

Here's my reply to your post on space.com:

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So if Lazar knows the technology, where is it? Where is he? If it's a sound solution I'm sure someone would give him funding to perfect it. It would be very profitable. Is Burt Rutan wasting his time with rockets?

[quote="worzel"]Newton's Third Law (of motion) [quote="worzel"]

You are not thinking very hard.. If you have a disc spinning aroung a point like a top, all you have to do is tilt the axes to get motion.. simple
But you just said Newtons law stated this idea would not work... well you seem to know way to much for me lol

No. This is against the rules because it could be a copyright violation. Best thing is to provide a link and quote parts to give the reader an idea what may be behind the link.

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Could you elaborate on this method of propulsion? Are we talking about a ship with a spinning something, or a spinning ship?

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And to welcome me with such slamming my grasp of physics . Wow well i would add that David Adair has many of the same ideas as My self. http://eclectic.cgis-creative.com/st...Nov97Adair.php to assume you know so much more about physics yet you seem to have nothing to offer in that topic.. The only thing you really said is how little I know of physics, which only shows your quickness to assume, which in turn shows your total ignorance. Your quote about newtons law shows how little you know about physics and propulsion. One does not have to blow energy out one end to get thrust..it can also be done by using gravity against itself, such as a disc orbiting a magnetically controlled sphere. Using the magnets to move this sphere you can cause the axis to tilt to cause motion.

Ill tell you I have had a lot smarter people reply to my posts with a lot smarter things to say about it.. and I have had a lot smarter people like my ideas on propulsion theory.. So you can stop trying to be mr. big physics cool guy and try come up with something smart to say

jin

This example isn't really all that good for your point. A top will only move if it has a force to push it in a direction, most of this applied when the the top is spun, though it will also react to the friction between the ground and the nib of the top which will produce the later smaller looping movements of a top. If you were to some how suspend the top in the air so that it couldn't touch the ground at all, it just simply wouldn't move anywhere at all.

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Hey, you started it... You began by slamming NASA and using very derogative terms when describing current technology. And to top it off, you're proving yourself by quoting people and ideas that have been previously been discreditted many times.

Couldn't you just start off by explaining the science behind your claims without slamming EVERTHING else ?

Ok Back when I was in school we build a rail gun,, My idea was to make a spinning disc with this idea in mind.. With a rail gun you use a magnetic track to shoot a magnet.. My idea was to make the magnetic rail in a circle so it could orbit the magnet. This is how you get the top to spin.

Chill out thruthufo. I don't claim to be an expert on anything, you're simply projecting that on to me because I pointed out a few basic flaws in your reasoning. I don't see why simply asking you to elaborate on a point that seems to me to be at odds with physics first requires me to contribute to your satifisfaction first.

If my comment about your grasp of physics was incorrect or offensive, I apologise. I will have a look at the link you provided but have to get back to work right now. In the meantime, maybe you could prove me wrong by explaining exactly how your proposed propulsion system works.

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Reaction/momentum wheels are used to produce rotation, not displacement. They are used all the time for spacecraft attitude control, but they won't get you anywhere.

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Ok, I had a quick look at the link, it doesn't say anything about any propulsion system.

Are you equating gravity with magnetism here?
Sorry, I don't get it. You use magnets to move the sphere, which is itself magnetic, and this causes the orbiting disc to change its axis of orbit? What holds the control magnets and the sphere in place?

Have you got a diagram?

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