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Old 03-July-2005, 11:46 AM
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I recently did transcriptions of the dialogue from the first two Apollo 11 TV transmissions and will put them in a post below. Would be interested in knowing exactly which part of the dialogue Bart used in his DVD to "prove" that something was faked.

Please point out any errors that you notice. It's not always easy to understand what is being said or by whom. The word "garbled" often only means that I didn't understand what was said.
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Old 03-July-2005, 11:51 AM
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Apollo 11: Transcription of unscheduled television transmission at 10:32 GET
Times shown are for the Spacecraft Films' Apollo 11 DVDs --
Disc 1 / "Fly Me to the Moon" / "Television transmissions 10:32 GET, 33:59 GET" / Chapter 1
Three asterisks show a large gap in the dialogue.

0:10 [Transmission begins at 10:32 GET.]
0:12 Houston (Charles Duke): Hello, Apollo 11, Houston. Goldstone says that the TV looks great, over.
0:22 Aldrin: Okay, Roger. We're er... [garbled] on earth.
0:31 Houston (Duke): Hello, Apollo 11, Houston. Did you copy, over?
0:38 Aldrin: Roger, we copied, Charlie.
0:42 Houston (Duke): Ah Roger, Houston. Your transmission the last couple of times has been about two-by, over.
0:47 Aldrin: Okay, how do you read me now?
0:49 Houston (Duke): Rog, you're five-by now.
0:51 Aldrin: Okay, we're zooming the lens on in to what will just about fill the monitor.
0:58 Houston (Duke): Roger.
1:13 Aldrin: Okay, Houston. Full zoom now.
1:19 Houston (Duke): Copy, Eleven.
1:23 Aldrin: And how about the f-stop? Is 22 going to be accurate?
1:27 Houston (Duke): Stand by, we'll get with the Goldstone TV guy. We don't have anything here at Houston. Stand by.
1:33 Aldrin: Yeah, okay.
1:39 Unknown: It looks good on the monitor as far as the f-stop goes, they'll probably just assume it's okay, Goldstone.
2:05 Houston (Duke): Hello, Apollo 11, Houston. Goldstone say that the TV looks really great, five-by.
2:20 Aldrin: Okay, you just cut out, Charlie. We understand that it's looking great. We'll leave it the way it is and wait for you to come back on.
2:29 Houston (Duke): How do you read me now, over?
2:32 Aldrin: Five-by.
2:34 Houston (Duke): Okay. My comments were... My comments were from Goldstone at the… they see no white spots as we saw in ten [meaning Apollo 10]. Looks like the AGC's working real well, the f22 looks good, over.
2:45 Aldrin: Okay, very good. Well, we shut out the sun coming in [garbled] the spacecraft so er, it's looking through the number one window on earth and any reflected light [garbled] right now so it ought to be a pretty good picture.
3:02 Houston (Duke): Roger.
3:43 Houston (Duke): Hello, Apollo 11, Houston. We'd like you to keep the TV on for about ten minutes or so, so we can get some... a good comparison on the camera. You can do anything you're...
***
4:42 Collins: Houston, Apollo 11, over.
4:44 Houston (Duke): Roger, go ahead, over.
4:46 Collins: Charlie, I'm sorry, you keep cutting out. We heard up to, "You can do anything," and then after that we didn't hear anything. [Garbled] what do you want us to do?
5:00 Houston (Duke): Roger. We'll check the uplink on our voice. The transmission on the TV... we'd like to get about... Goldstone so we can look at the camera quality back here at Houston for about ten minutes or so when they patch it back in to us. What we were saying was...
5:22 Houston (Duke): We'd like a little... Stand by.
5:29 Aldrin: Start over with, "We were saying."
***
6:14 Aldrin: Hey, Houston. Do you suppose you could turn the earth a little bit so we could get a little bit more than just water?
6:23 Houston (Duke): Roger, Eleven. I don't think we've got much control over that. Looks like you'll have to settle for the water.
6:40 Houston (Duke): Eleven, Houston. We're going to change... thinking about changing our voice uplink to another site. If you'll stand by we'll see if we can improve the quality, over.
6:48 Collins: Okay, Charlie. We'll stand by for your call.
7:27 Houston (Duke): Apollo 11, Houston. We'll try once more on this TV request. We'd like ten minutes' worth of TV and we'd like a narrative if you could give us one on the exterior shot. You could... we also suggest you might try an interior position, over.
7:48 Armstrong: Roger. We're seeing the center of the earth as viewed from the spacecraft in the eastern Pacific Ocean. We have not been able to visually pick up the Hawaiian island chain, but we can clearly see the western coast of North America, the United States, the San Joaquin Valley, the High Sierras, Baja California and Mexico down as far as Acapulco, and the Yucatan Peninsula, and you can see on through Central America, to the northern coast of South America, Venezuela and Colombia. I'm not sure you'll be able to see all that on your screens down there.
8:42 Houston (Duke): Ah, Roger Neil. We just wanted a [garbled] such that when we get the playback we can sort of correlate what we're seeing. Thank you very much.
***
8:57 Aldrin: I haven't seen anything but the DSKY so far.
9:02 Houston (Duke): Looks like they're hogging the windows.
9:06 Aldrin: You're right.
***
13:36 Houston (Duke): Hello, Apollo 11, Houston. On your cryos we like this time for you to place all four cryo heaters to auto and turn off all four cryo fans, over.
13:52 Aldrin: Okay, all four cryo heaters are auto, and all four cryo fans are off, are off.
14:03 Houston (Duke): Ah, Roger. That's got to be your sweet configuration.
14:06 Aldrin: Okay.
14:07 Houston (Duke): And Buzz, we'll be terminating your battery charge in about a half hour.
14:13 Aldrin: Roger.
14:36 Houston (Duke): Hello, Apollo 11, Houston. You can terminate TV at your convenience. We've got enough tape, and you can start PTC at your convenience. The rates went super for starting up, over.
14:51 Collins: Roger, Charlie.
15:34 [Transmission ends.]


Apollo 11: Transcription of unscheduled television transmission at 30:28 GET
Times shown are for the Spacecraft Films Apollo 11 DVDs --
Disc 1 / "Fly Me to the Moon" / "Television transmissions 10:32 GET, 33:59 GET" / Chapter 3
Three asterisks show a large gap in the dialogue.

18:11 [Transmission begins at 30:28 GET.]
19:43 Houston (Charles Duke): Apollo 11, this is Houston, over.
19:48 Collins: Go ahead, Houston.
19:54 Houston (Duke): Eleven, this is Houston. Goldstone reports they are receiving a TV picture coming down from you all. A little snowy, but a good TV picture, over.
20:08 Armstrong: Roger, we're just testing the equipment up here.
20:13 Houston (Duke): Roger.
20:18 Aldrin: Ask them if they can read the numbers [On the DSKY, which the TV camera is pointing at.]
20:21 Houston (Duke): Okay, stand by.
20:23 Aldrin: What's showing on the DSKY and also whether they can see P-R-O-G, V-E-R-B and N-O-U-N, over.
20:30 Houston (Duke): Ah, Roger. Stand by a second. Goldstone MNO, Houston Capcom, over.
20:36 Goldstone: Capcom, Goldstone, go ahead.
20:38 Houston (Duke): Ah, Roger. Did you copy the spacecraft's request?
20:41 Goldstone: That's affirmative. I am reading the numbers on our monitor here.
20:45 Houston (Duke): Okay, that's er... Stand by.
20:49 Houston (Duke): Roger, that's both the numbers on the DSKY itself and the little words like program, verb, noun, computer activity -- things of this sort?
21:05 Goldstone: Roger. I can read the numbers clearly. We can't distinguish what the words are because it is a little snowy.
21:15 Houston (Duke): Ahh, Roger, thankyou.
21:18 Goldstone: Okay, I read verb, noun and program.
***
27:25 Collins: Houston, Apollo 11.
27:29 Houston (Duke): Go ahead, Eleven.
27:32 Collins: Oh, Charlie, is that you?
27:34 Houston (Duke): Yeah, that's me. How are you there?
27:39 Collins: Oh, just fine. How's the old white team today?
27:41 Houston (Duke): Ah, the old white team's bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. We're [garbled] down here.
27:47 Collins: [Garbled] Hey, you got any medics down there watching my heart rate? I'm trying to do some running in place down here [in the navigation bay] and I'm wondering just out of curiosity whether it brings my heart rate up.
27:58 Houston (Duke): Ah, they will spring into action here momentarily. Stand by.
***
28:26 Houston (Duke): Hello, eleven. We see your heart beating.
28:32 Collins: Okay, well then, look at the CDR's and the CMP's and see if they go up any. We're all running in place up here. You wouldn't believe it.
28:40 Houston (Duke): I'd like to see that sight. Why don't you give us a TV picture of that one?
28:46 Collins: I think Buzz is trying.
28:48 Aldrin: You got it.
28:50 Houston (Duke): Okay, it's coming in at Goldstone, Buzz. As Bruce said we don't have it here and it's er...
***
29:13 Unknown: Major [garbled] and the PTC very much.
29:19 Aldrin: Yeah, I don't know if it's the vibration or what it is, but it makes the pitch and yaw rate needles on MTAI number one jump up and down a little bit when we jump up and down.
29:33 Houston (Duke): Ah Rog. Alright, Goldstoners say they see you running there, Mike.
29:43 Collins: Okay.
29:45 Aldrin: Ask him what he's running from.
30:01 Houston (Duke): Eleven, Houston. Mike, we see you're about a 96 heartbeat now.
30:10 Collins: Okay, thankyou. [Two seconds before Mike Collins says this, we can see him reach down and press his push-to-talk button, then release it.]
***
30:41 Collins: Well, that's about all that is reasonable. I'm getting a hundred and twenty.
30:46 Houston (Duke): Alright, Rog, we copy.
30:59 Collins: Goldstone should be getting about the best picture there as we can give them right now, Charlie.
31:03 Ah Roger, Mike. Thankyou much.
31:07 Aldrin: Ah, we've got a little distortion in the horizontal direction, some banding on our monitor. I wonder if they're getting the same thing. [The banding can be clearly seen.]
31:17 Houston (Duke): Stand by, Buzz, I'll let you know.
31:27 Goldstone: Goldstone MNO.
31:29 Houston (Duke): Okay. The crew is complaining of some horizontal banding on their monitor. Y'all see that on the picture?
31:36 Goldstone: Stand by.
31:44 Goldstone: Ah, [garbled] right now, we don't have anything in focus, Charlie.
31:50 Houston (Duke): Ah Roger. He's checking on it. I'll see if they had it earlier. Stand by.
31:58 Aldrin: I guess when we're showing the DSKY or when we're showing the earth they might see that better or not.
32:04 Houston (Duke): Okay.
32:10 Goldstone: Houston Capcom, Goldstone.
32:12 Houston (Duke): Go ahead.
32:13 Goldstone: Okay. Our TV people confirm they see this horizontal banding.
32:16 Houston (Duke): Okay.
32:21 Houston (Duke): Eleven, Houston. The Goldstone TV people also see the banding when... at the same time y'all do, over.
32:32 Aldrin: Okay. Would they call it a horizontal waviness instead of banding, maybe?
32:37 Houston (Duke): I'm not talking to 'em directly. Stand by, Buzz, let me see what they... how they describe it.
32:43 Houston (Duke): Goldstone MNO, Houston Capcom. Could you put the TV guy on the loop, please?
32:49 Goldstone: Capcom, Goldstone. Roger.
***
33:32 Goldstone: Houston Capcom, Goldstone MNO, net one.
33:34 Houston (Duke): Go.
33:35 Goldstone: Ah, the TV people do not have access to net one in that area. Suggest we use net two for that purpose.
33:40 Houston (Duke): Okay. Going to net two.
***
34:34 Houston (Duke): Hello Apollo 11, Houston. The Goldstone TV guys say that they had some horizontal banding across the upper corner of the picture and across the lower part. They would consider the lines just straight, no waviness to 'em at all, over.
34:53 Aldrin: Roger, understand. They do seem to distort vertical lines, though.
35:00 Houston (Duke): Ah, say again about the vertical lines, Buzz.
35:05 Aldrin: Rog. When there's a vertical line, these horizontal bands tend to put small waves in it.
35:14 Houston (Duke): Er Rog, I copy. He didn't mention that. Stand by, I'll check again.
***
36:00 Houston (Duke): Hello 11, Houston. The Goldstone TV say that when you get a sharp vertical line on the picture where the horizontal banding goes across, it does appear to bend it slightly. The same as Apollo 10, they said. Looks okay to them, over.
36:17 Aldrin: Okay, understand. It's on our monitor [garbled].
36:21 Houston (Duke): Ah, Rog. I guess so, Buzz. We'll have them look into it and see if they can suggest anything.
***
39:34 Houston (Duke): Hello Apollo 11, Houston. Please select omni bravo on board, over.
39:42 Collins: Trace on to bravo, Charlie.
39:44 Houston (Duke): Rog.
39:49 Collins: How's everything going down there? You guys happy with the spacecraft systems?
39:53 Houston (Duke): Roger, affirmative. Everything's looking really good to us, over.
40:00 Collins: Okay, same here.
***
40:39 Collins: Charlie, how far out can you pick up TV on the omni?
40:43 Houston (Duke): Stand by.
41:03 Houston (Duke): Apollo 11, Houston. We're just about at the limits where we can get any kind of picture at all on the omnis on the TV. The picture, I guess, would be almost zero at this point.
41:16 [Transmission ends.]
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So his ex claims he really does believe his own fabrications, which I still find hard to believe. How could he possibly take footage (which I have never seen in one chunk) and chop out all the stuff that clearly shows that it's not fake footage, shot from low orbit, make a woowoo film and still not believe in the moon landings?

No, I suspect the ex, though lovely, smart and kind I'm sure she is, knows which side her alimony bread is buttered on. I guess I just can't see how Bad Bart can actually believe the garbage he peddles.
I don't think the ex thinks Bart believes *all* his nonsense. Based on what she wrote, I'd say she definitely believes he's a huckster who is conning people with lies and fabrications. She just thought that deep down Bart really believes Apollo was faked, which is not the same as saying he believes everything he peddles (she definitely displayed hostility toward him). A person can use knowingly dishonest tactics to sell an idea while still believing the idea is correct.

Personally, I don't think it really matters what Bart Sibrel's core beliefs are because he is swindling people either way. But perhaps he has somehow deluded himself into thinking his tactics are honorable. If he really believes NASA is treacherous and evil, perhaps he thinks it's okay to use dishonest tactics of his own, after all, NASA has been dishonest with us (or so he says). No matter what's going on inside Sibrel's head, I think what he is doing is reprehensible and inexcusable.

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mickal555, do you have his permission to post his personal email to you here? If not, this is a very serious violation of the FAQ here, and you must remove it immediately. If you want to post his email on your own site, I cannot stop you, but I won't have it here.
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I know that's no exuice- I have removed it- and I may remove it from my site too, as you are absolutly right- It's a bad idea.
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Must be him though... Who else would work for him?
Interesting. I made a post here regarding a reply I got from Bart Sibrel's "assistant," Michael Jones. In the link I provide in said post I failed to show the return e-mail address (I should have included it though) but it was from Aneel M Pandey as well. Must be a communal e-mail account.
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