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Of course when these images come out, the HBs will claim that they are fake. I personally couldn't care less; I look forward to seeing half-meter-resolution pictures of the Apollo landing sites.

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If only closed minds came with closed mouths!

I thought of a possible trap for some HB's here. Release the images, but without any amplifying comment. Just the raw images. Let woo-woos who habitually scour such images for 'artificial-looking' objects, find them first and claim they've found alien artifacts on the Moon. Then reveal where and what the images are of. If the Alien Artifact woo-woos are also Hoax Believers, they're checkmated.

(OK - there are so many ways this tactic could go wrong, it's probably not worth it! It was a thought though.)

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I like the way your mind works... sneaky :wink:

I wonder how much overlap there is between HBs and Aliens-on-the-Moon folks, though...

But never underestimate the ability of someone to accuse or deny his way out of any such trap. They'll just doubt the real origin of the photos, or argue that the "anomalies" were inserted by you on purpose to fool them and discredit them, showing that you're an evil disinformationist. Nothing is impossible to the person whose mind is not burdened by having to cope with the real world.

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Clavius Moon Base

I think that most of the woo woos believe we went to the moon, but NASA is hiding the fact they found: UFO bases, ancient ruins ect. :roll:

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http://www.rrac.org

Regrettably (for my cunning plan, that is,) I think you're right. The woo-woos seem to split into the Alien Ruins types, and the We Never Went types - which leads to the bizarre situation of Hoagland putting up a pair of (in many places quite well argued) Hoax debunking pages.

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"We need rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"

I don't know, at least one way out there woo woo *cough*CosmicDave*cough* believes that Apollo was a hoax so we didn't actually go to the moon, but that the Apollo astronauts found alien bases when they got there. #-o :roll:

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It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Ok, we found ancient ruins and UFO bases in the studio where the landings were faked? That makes sense.

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. . . at least as much as any of these theories do.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

See. Absolute proof that the studios were in Area 51, where else could have have Alien artifacts in them? Hmm, hmmm.

QED.

Of course they had to then fake the fake studio pictures because they had to remove the tell tale artifacts from them.

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Howling from the Shadows

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

I have to agree there, the 'C' Rock Analysis, which, while not by Hoagland, is part of that collection is up to anything written by Phil or Jay. That is except for the last bit about NASA still hiding something.

I find that the whole set is a perfect example of how woo-woos can hold contradictory views. In the example page its clear that NASA was very helpful but are still seen as not having admitted 'the Truth'.

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John Sladek, The New Apocrypha, pg 34.

The alien ruins tpyes annoy me, because the argument makes no sense.

If NASA thought for a moment that they had found alien ruins on the moon (or Mars), what better way to become the best funded agency in the US? Even if they kept it all a secret from all but the President and a handful of others, there is no way that they would be fighting for money at this point, and no way they'd be working on earth orbit craft when the real prize was on the moon.

Even if they did their darndest to keep it a secret, NASA would have built larger moon craft, bases, rovers, etc, just to get more men and machines to the moon to look over the alien ruins. They might have used the cover of scientific research, but they'd be going.

And that would negate all of the reasons that are used against manned exploration. If we really couldn't send men to the moon because of the danger, we'd have sent about 1000 automated cameras and rovers just to look at the alien craft/buildings/ruins/etc.

Or am I just off base here? :-?

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You're not off base, but in general these "what if" and "for the sake of argument" types of arguments are not very persuasive, because they assume that people always make rational decisions. Sometimes intelligent well intentioned people make bad decisions, and you would in effect need to prove that this was not the case. In any case, the woo-woos can selectively claim that NASA is collectively too stupid to fake the landings without leaving tell-tale traces, or so smart that they were able to eliminate the "smoking gun" type evidence.

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Yo Adrian. The Phillies won the Series.

I believe that some of the Aliens-on-the-Moon folks say that we are back on the Moon, in secret, using alien technology.

Back? We never left! There's been a human presence there ever since the Nazis used alien technology to establish a military base there during World War II!!!

[/woo-woo mode]

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I could take the HB turning NASA into a conniving monster, but making conspiracy theorists seem absurd, easily discredited, and lacking in any kind of common sense? That is just low :roll:

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sun comes up, we laugh and we cry
sun goes down, and then we all die

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