[pre-edited language omitted] This is upsetting. Sorry that it fell through, but glad to know you're continuing.

The thing is, what sabotaged it was the press coverage. I'm not sure how, but NASA should have tried to emphasize more that the point of this was not "to prove we went to the moon", but rather to provide answers for teachers and people interested in seeing a response to the HBs. I think they should have played up that it was to be an educational resource, sort of prepared materials for teachers who don't know the answers themselves. Sadly it got characterized poorly. It's a shame they had a hair-trigger response on the cancellation. I suppose they were a little worried about negative feedback over "wasting tax money to prove the obvious".

No offense taken at all. I wasn't being snooty; but sarcasm can be hard to convey on the board. I was stressing the quoting out of context. I try to phrase myself to avoid that happening, but it's hard, and slips happen!

Awwwww.....

I was really looking forward to that book. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] Maybe a grassroots campaign can be started to get private funding? I'd write a check to help! (Hard to come up with $15,000 however.)

It would be really nice to have this in print. I was planning on buying a copy, and if/when it does get printed, I will certainly be doing so!

Why doesn't Oberg write it without NASA funding. I'm sure he could self publish it or get someone to publish it. Rene and Kaysing publish their own books.

Understood, and that's what I figured at the time. Doesn't stop me from feeling like a doofus, though.

I'm happy to see that James will likely still write the book, and I'm pleased that he'll probably make more money from its publication this way. Still, I wish that it had the official NASA seal (I'm getting some internal Sea World jokes out of this phrase....). I think that our education system would be much more apt to use it if it did. Either way, I wish him luck and I'm glad that at least my fiancee will get to use this book at some point.

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steinhenge,
You can edit out your previous "This Message was edited by:" lines. Then it looks like you only edited once.

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BBC News Online's science editor casts a vote in favor of the book

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Thanks Kaptain, but I like to wear my idiocy on my sleeve. Feels honest.

This news (the book being scrubbed) made it into the Discovery Channel website:

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/afp/20.../moonhoax.html

It mentions Phil and the Bad Astronomy website. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]


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It says in the Discovery article TransOrbital is going to photograph one of the Apollo landing sites (in 2003). Think that will knock some of the wind out of the HB's sails? After all, TransOrbital is a privite corp...

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My poor poor Vandal,

You obviously haven't been studying this moon hoax garbage long enough

The HBs will put their usual spin on the findings. I've already heard one of them say something like, "Of course they'll see the landings sites they've had over thirty years to go to the moon and put the hardware on the moon." I guess that mean by robotic methods.

And that's the heart of the no-moonie silliness. To pull off what they claim NASA did would have taken basically the same amount of effort as actually going to the Moon!

Oh, well…hope springs eternal…

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Think that will knock some of the wind out of the HB's sails?

Nope. Hope does spring eternal, but look at the mountains of evidence they explain away already. What's one or two more photographs? Bill Kaysing said on the Fox program that if someone would take pictures of the Apollo equipment from lunar orbit, he would withdraw his claim. He has since revised his view and says that nothing will convince him that Apollo succeeded.

After all, TransOrbital is a privite corp...

... licensed and regulated by the U.S. government. This is the foothold conspiracy theorists need in order to claim anything from Trans Orbital is faked too. They'll just say that providing "independent" verification of Apollo was one of the stipulations for granting their license.

Aliens could show up tomorrow and provide telepathic proof from aliens who witnessed the events with views from multiple angles, and the hoax crowd would still claim the government put them up to it, as a condition for not going to war or something.