It is the most hilarious argument of all from conspiracists. They say that the selenogical samples were brought back by a poop and scoop probe and yet no-one has ever gotten close to developing one.

The conspiracists are arguing that the evil and insidious American government has all sorts of technology we don't know about.

But then, if they have all this advanced technology (probably obtained in a deal with the aliens of the planet Zotalot) then why don't they have the technology to simply do a manned Lunar mission?

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Can you provide us with evidence that they are?
If you can't, then there is no reason to assume it.
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I can say the same: cant u provide us with evidence that law of phisics are the same all over the universe ?

so I consider astrophisicians who try to apply thse laws at distance of 100s of million LY from earth, no more than pretentious. I'm not surprised if they have trouble with so called missing/invisible mass ...

First Mr. Cable, it's astrophysicist.

Second, assuming that the laws of physics (like the values of G, c, h, etc) are the same through-out the universe alows us to make predictions about. If these predictions turn out to be wrong, then we will adjust the theory accordingly.

However, assuming that they are different, means we can't do anything.

Getting back to the issue, though, you seem to be saying the Apollo could be Archerish if the laws of physics turn out to be wrong. Since, Apollo correlates science as we know it, we have no reason to assume Archer unless evidence is provided that Apollo shouldn't. Parsimony, demands that in the mean time we accept Apollo's validity.

Besides, Informant has already said that the laws of physics have been tested numerous times at Lunar distances.

that supposes that our spaecrafts/sensors went REALLY at close distance to moon , let alone on moon surface.

when I read that Gagarin was not the first man in space ... and some suggest that both Us and soviets lied ... so I'm entitled to be suspicious.

I DISAGREE.

How can gelogists from around the world say that these rocks are from moon ??
rubbish. they all are wrong.
the only thing they can say is :
"we have never seen such rocks before".
that means these rocks could have been found by digging at south pole, meterite, or cooked in a vacuum oven by NASA.

Looks like a circular argument to me:

1. citing physical law in support of the authenticity of the Apollo landings is unacceptable because physical law might not be consistent throughout the solar system.

2. citing evidence partially derived from Apollo and other space exploration efforts in support of the consistency of physical law throughout the solar system is unacceptable because the Apollo missions might not be authentic.

3. return to step 1, repeat indefinitely.

Wrong. Geologists can say "these samples are/are not consistent with what we would predict the characteristics of rocks formed and aged in an environment like that of the moon, and are/are not consistent with rocks formed and aged on Earth and subsequently modified, or with meteorites."

Lunar samples have been studied by many scientists in a variety of nations. Can you cite any informed opinion from anyone who examined Lunar samples and found any of them to be consistent with modified Earth rocks or with space rocks which went through atmospheric entry and subsequent exposure to the Earth environment?

And why do I think that the same ol' weekend troll is back again?

when I read that Gagarin was not the first man in space ... and some suggest that both Us and soviets lied ... so I'm entitled to be suspicious.

Apples and oranges. The Soviet space program was undertaken in secrecy. Missions were not announced until successfully completed. This makes it possible for the Soviets to lie like that. However, the U.S. space program was undertaken in full view of the public. The public saw NASA's successes and failures. The fact that the Soviets were apparently able to perpetrate such a deception does not prove it was possible for the Americans to do the same thing.

Read this,

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/...ototheMoon.htm

Curiouser and curiouser...
"NASA Workers Admit Stealing Moon Rocks
Investigators say the group placed an ad in May on the Web site of the Mineralogy Club of Antwerp, Belgium, offering to sell "priceless moon rocks" collected by Apollo astronauts in 1969 and the early 1970s for $1,000 to $5,000 a gram..." AP 12-24-02
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...tion-headlines

Yep, some NASA employees (interns, if I recall correctly) were caught stealing moon rocks. I think they were gonna sell them on eBay. This was a while ago, but it did rile up the NASA community in a big way. It damages a lot of workplace trust when somebody does something like that. Real shame.

Kinda argues against the massive conspiracy, doesn't it?



If they can't keep interns from stealing moon rocks, how can they be expected to keep the entire hoax under wraps?

Cable: "when I read that Gagarin was not the first man in space ... and some suggest that both Us and soviets lied ... so I'm entitled to be suspicious. "

Your suspicions are superficially justified, since these stories have been circulating for more than forty years. However, you are also intellectually obligated to see if these stories can be verified or debunked by serious historical investigation, and they have been the latter for about thirty years. This is a good example of the 'level of evidence' often presented by HB's, that is, "I heard a rumor" is given just as much credence as "verifiable evidence and first-hand testimony indicates..."

see
http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html

Jim

Thanks for the link to that article. Fascinating reading!