Thanks for the video Zeit, much appreciated.

Wow, what a short video. What's worse, I don't know who won and who lost the argument. It was almost like MSNBC did not want to really get involved in the whole moon hoax mess, and instructed their host to sort of waste time until the segment was over.

All this really did was to provide yet more awareness for the Moon Hoax theory and that the debunkers don't know how to respond to the HB's claims. It's too bad the interview wasn't set up better by the MSNBC people, then the BA could have really done some damage to BS's reputation. But the way it was set up, BS could say what he wanted, but BA didn't really have time to address the HB's claims.

I think, from now on, I'll stick to Discovery Channel and Tech TV for scientific face to face interviews.

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I caught the show just before departing for weekend travel away from my computer. Nice discussion here.

BA, I think the comments are on target about operating under severe time constraints being a totally different strategy then a longer format. My own style is more in-your-face than yours (you are a gentleman, I am not), with a set of short jabs on pre-selected themes already prepared for delivery according to MY agenda, not based on reacting to the whims of the host or the latest hand-waving of the adversary.

Bart is known to bring up new stuff -- so a pre-scripted jab is that he abandons his wounded, dropping failed 'evidence' by the wayside like a frantic picnicker running away from swarming ants and casting off clothes. Always a 'new' argument -- evidence that he realizes all the OLD arguments have been discredited.

Regarding the alleged low-earth-orbit relay of the 'cut-out', how long did that sequence last? He says it was relayed from Goldstone. Goldstone is a Deep Space Network antenna, it can't track in low earth orbit, and no antenna anywhere can relay signals for more than 5-6 minutes horizon-to-horizon. To get uninterrupted comm for a period as long as this sequence REQUIRES you to be beyond LEO.

Just a comment on handling interviewer questions... Take a page from the politcos who appear on interview shows. Don't answer the question that was asked, answer the one you wanted him to ask.

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MSNBC put up a pretty good streaming video of the "debate": http://www.msnbc.com/news/835789.asp?0bl=-0

The transcripts are not yet up though.

I saw the show last Friday but didn't get a chance to post about it until now. Way to go, BA! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] It's too bad you didn't have enough time to do much, but at least Sibrel looked a fool.

My husband watched it over my shoulder, and he simply could not believe how STUPID Sibrel could be to have had time to prepare for this interview and not bring anything better than a sketchpad as "evidence" of a fraud. You'd think he'd have at least brought some pictures along with. After all, NASA makes those pictures freely available to the public.

Which would seem like an odd thing to do if you're trying to cover something up. Why go to so much trouble to *publish* all the evidence like that? If NASA had really wanted to fake it, why wouldn't they handle it like the Soviet space program, with minimal coverage? (The first time an average Soviet citizen got to see a Soviet manned launch was ASTP! And that was because NASA wanted to televise it in America!)

But if Bart brings his pictures, then he doesn't have anything left to sell!

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Here's the transcript, BA

http://www.msnbc.com/news/836647.asp

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That brings up an interesting point. That being the case, aren't there photos taken through telescopes by astronomers the world over who have no ties to NASA? Shouldn't there be some in LEO but none after that? Just a few would presumably be enough to at least prove something went into space.

Just read the transcript of Friday's interview and while I knew it would be short I didn't think it would take me all of 30 seconds to read.
I know that MSNBC has a lot of news to cover but talk about getting a bums rush. BA, you did the best you could with the time allotted.

push pull click click
already 1:48 P.M.
and yeah i'll be at
http://www.lehappy.com at 5
less the .com and ww part of course
Yes? of course id BUY
( ) #1 ( ) #2 or ( ) #3 even give a choice Ho Ho

The name of this topic is misleading. I thought that it would be you to guys in a boxing ring.
And the BA is down for the count. Sibrel takes him out in one punch. He never stood a chance. What a mismatch.

I was listening to the radio (local news radio, it sucks, but the only thing good other than the hip hop or teeny bopper stations) and one of the radio personalities saw the FOX show and looked at sibrel's site and was convinced that we did not go. He then said that he saw the MSNBC thing with the two of you and that he thought sibrel gave a compelling argument and further made his proof. (He never mentioned the B.A.) Here's the clincher: He said that one of the biggest problem he saw with going to the moon was the flag waving and the shadows in the video. Hasn't that been done to death? I thought the HBer's done away with that a while ago?

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The local TV morning news recently interviewed a guy who believes the moon landings were faked.

The problem was they didn't bring on a NASA supporter to counter his claims and the host seemed to believe the hoax theory too.

It went something like this:

HB: "One of the questions is how did the astronauts survive the Van Allen Belt?"

Host: "How does NASA respond to that question?"

HB: "They basically just say 'We'll get back to you on that.'"

Host: "You would think after 30 years they would be able to come up with an answer."

Many people have answered the radiation question... either this HB is ignoring the answer or he's never bothered to look for it.

It made me really angry. If it had been a call in show I would have called in to complain.


Kel

What station is it? I mean, do you have the call letters? I'll give them a call. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

I feel your pain. Several times I have called stations to correct some flagrant error, and every time I have been treated as a mere nuisance. But then again, I should expect it. Several years ago I was involved in a study of local television news, and unfortunately we compiled systematic data supporting the common observation that (among other things) local news is all about entertainment. They simply don't care if they make a mistake or mislead people, as long as the ratings stay high.

Phil,

It was CH TV in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

The host was Bob Cowan and the HB was Rob McConnell. McConnell hosts a radio show called X-Zone (I guess it's sort of like Art Bell or Clyde Lewis but I've never listened to it).

It was the morning news program called "CH Morning Live" which is more entertainment than news, but it still ****es me off when people who are supposed to be unbiased and credible do things like that.

I think it aired on Friday, November 8th, but I'm not sure. It was a short segment and they also talked about "Rods"... but that's another matter.

The X-Zone website has a poll "Did American astronauts really land and walk on the Moon?". 77% of the people who have responded said yes.

You can email Rob McConnell at chmorninglive@xzone-radio.com but I'm sure he won't pass any complaints on to the TV station. I'm not sure how to contact them directly, but I'll look into it.


Kel

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: LunarOrbit on 2002-11-19 14:44 ]</font>

I just emailed CHTV. I have no interest in emailing the HB; I have dealt with Clyde Lewis enough to know I will never get a fair shake with them. Thanks!

My Goodness, I just visited that site, and I'm ashamed to say that I am Canadian. I just looked at the site quickly, and I must say, that guy looks like a glory hound. Of course, with that weird music coming on when you go on the site sure is a good way to alienate newcomers.

I'm not sure discussing the "Moon Hoax" with him will change his opinion. Basically, his site showcases UFOs, paranormal activities, pyaramidology, so what's one more conspiracy to him?

For the record, on his poll about whether or not there were moon landings, I voted yes. Just to tip the scales on that, we should all go there and vote yes. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]

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Phil,

Please let me know how CH replies... they're generally a good station, I would hate to see that one segment ruin their reputation.

Went and voted on "Did American Astronauts actually land and walk on the Moon?" Only fifty total replies, so I don't think we need to worry massively about this guy's popularity.

Incidentally, 40 voted "Yes", 8 voted "No", and 2 were "Undecided".

How many of the "yes" votes were generated here, I wonder? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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Is there any chance that you could divulge what you and Andy Chaikin discovered, by email? I'd be very interested to hear more about the "important parts of the astronauts' footage which shows they truly are on their way to the Moon, for another". Perhaps any other interested members of the board could add their email address here to get a copy of the email?

ianr81@yahoo.co.uk

Perhaps any other interested members of the board could add their email address here to get a copy of the email?

I suspect that would be all of us... [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

johnwitts@hotmail.com

sandler@ufl.edu [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

webmaster@clavius.org

But I suspect this is old news. We've known for some time that Bart's "secret, mislabeled" tape is included on Mark Gray's Apollo 11 DVD. And now that this has been confirmed, other readers have reported remembering the footage from television specials and other programs.

So Sibrel's piecemeal presentation of his "smoking gun" may serve not only to disguise its intent, but also its source.

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That was pathetic. Too short. First of all they present BS as BA and when he opens his mouth i thought. OMG Phil is actually a bungling idiot no one will listen to him!
(ive never seen pictures of either before).

There just wasnt enuff time. Just enuff to invoke interest in the subject but clearly not enough to resolve anything.

Best part for me was seeing Buzz smack that Expletive deleted by The Bad Astronomer in the head [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

However Phil should have said then and there for the record that he does not work for NASA. Then his words would have carried more weight. (wearing a suit might have helped too [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img])

Nice try BA but everything was against you, mostly time constraint. Too much of it wasted by BS showing his pathetic sketch.

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This is why I habitually turn down offers to appear on television and/or radio. I can't say what I need to say within the sound-bite constraints of those media. The current point-counterpoint format clearly favors the conspiracist.

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True enough. I did the Oz 60 Minutes show because I was more than fairly sure they would present things in their true light. That one paid off. The next time I do TV, I will demand (yes, demand) more time. I'll also be ready to lay things more obviously on the table.

I still think the most important lesson (besides demanding more time) is to go in with the points you want to make, and not let the host (or the other guest) distract you with trivialities. The stars in photos has been done to death, it's a non issue except to the hosts trying to introduce the audience at large to the whole topic. Move to the substantive claims.

I'll go on TV. Not that anyone ever asks...

I'd go on too. But I don't know that my Calvin and Hobbes debate style ("This is you: 'Duuuuuuuhhhhhhh!!!'") would go over well. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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