Just when I had you wriggling in the crushing grip of reason, too!...

That's the other reason. You all don't get to see or hear my initial reactions to some of the stuff that comes my way. My calm, measured responses are pretty much the antithesis of what usually springs first to mind.

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Clavius Moon Base

Round 2!!!!!Boom!!!The Bad Astronomer knocks BS out again!!!Buzz socks him physically,But,s that,s nothing compared to the presentation of logic by the Bad Astronomer.Right on to you Phil!!!!

I have that DVD now. Could you (or somebody) provide the specifics on the footage Sibrel uses? Thanks.

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I left this review of Barts film at Amazon if it helps.

Bart Sibrel claims that in his "documentary" you can see an arm move across the earth."Is this the arm of God moving across the earth, or an outtake of an astronaut's arm in front of a mockup of the earth as it might appear from a distance if they were actually able to leave earth orbit? See our streaming video: "God's arm or astronaut's?" Either way, it's one-of-a-kind footage and is only available in "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon!" Not so fast! This footage has been available for decades. Producer Mark Gray has transferred for the space enthusiast the original unedited (and without Mr. Sibrel's "interpretive" voice-over) NASA Apollo 11 television transmissions, 16mm film & Hasselblad 70mm camera images onto a 3-disc DVD set entitled "Apollo 11: Men on The Moon" Mr. Sibrel's "one-of-a-kind footage" can be viewed in it's "raw" form on Disc One - FLY ME TO THE MOON: Chapter 3 - Unscheduled transmission 30:28 GET.

In reality it's TV transmission of the earth taken through a SQUARE side window inside the darkened Command Module. The camera is not right up against the window. It looks to be about 2 - 4 feet between the window & camera. The lights were turned off inside the spacecraft so that all you see is the earth. The so called "God's arm or astronaut's" is nothing more then the edge of the window! You clearly see this as the picture of the earth is focused out & focused back inside the Command Module.

The highlight of that clip was the newsreader going "Go Buzz!". Or possibly him telling Phil (while an obviously agitated Sibrel looked on) that it sounds like woo-woo stuff that only an idiot would believe. =D>

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No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?

Welcome back from the dead!

I got all of his DVDs and there great, so stop your crying!

go here for more truth. www.infowars.com

Wow. Great first post. Will it be your only one or do you have something useful to contribute.

Pete

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

Holy Conspiracy Theory, Batman! That just about covers them all, I'd say.

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Everything except the Moon Hoax .... I didn't stay long to do an in-depth search, but if it was there it wasn't obvious.

Hi Pete I'm back.

so no on both, then. you did come back, but you still don't have anything useful to contribute. huh.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Okay, I'll bite. Why do you think Bart Sibrel's videos are '"great"?

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Clavius Moon Base

Great big waste of time and money is all it's worth.

I never got to see the Sibrel vs. BA debate. The video links provided are no longer valid. Does anyone know where it can be viewed?

I recently made a video series pointing out the flaws in Sibrel's arguments, and posted it to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDI2MsWSYc

I'd be interested in this footage for possible use in an upcoming vid.

Thanks

The one bad thing about the timing of this interview is that it's on at the same time as ST: Voyager.
Hmmm, BA debate, or Star Trek?
Help!


Any chance the interview can wind up on YouTube? I'd love to see it.

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Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Um, Grand Lunar, you do realise that the debate referred to in this thread took place in late 2002, and the most recent post prior to Svector's resurrection of this long dead thread was in mid-2005? I don't think it will be clashing with your Star Trek viewinf somehow....

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Oops.

Too bad I missed it then.

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This is no fantasy. No careless product of wild imagination. - Jor-El

Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

I have it, or perhaps a different one on CD's that the BA sent me, I'm sure that if you email him Svector he'll look into it, though there might be copyright issues for you to use it since it is likely to belong to MSNBC.

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It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

That's true, but I'd love to see it anyway. I can't stand that fat, obnoxious, basement-dwelling loser.

What did you guys think of my video series? Did anyone see it?

I have seen episode 1 parts 1 to 4 and they were quite good, will you be doing a DVD?

You mention a part 5, but it is not there, has it been done?

Also, I would have thought all these posts could be moved to their own thread as this one was for a specific transmission now long in the past.

BTW any chance Adam and Jamie might get upset at you nicking their "busted" tag

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While I'm sure many of us here agree with the sentiment, you should be aware that the BAUT forum rules forbid ad hominem attacks. You'd be well advised to direct your ire at the man's ideas, rather than his physique, personality, or habitat.

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"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." (Paul Simon)

Perhaps we could say that his "ideas" are fat, obnoxious, and basement-dwelling?

tbm

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Welcome aboard Svector,

Yeah you can't say desparaging personal comments about folks here, even if true. Got banned for a week for it and a very stern warning not to do it again myself, even though what I said was spot on. And I could see the point. Keeps it from becoming a monkey house in here, like some other forums.

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Science fiction was never meant to be an educational tool. - Editor Amazing Tales

Isn't that an insult to monkeys?

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Understood, and I will behave. For some reason, that guy just really irks me.

Ok, it's all out of my system now.

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"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

It will definitely be in DVD format for my own personal library. Maybe if I get any requests, I'll make it available on DVD at some point.

Part 5 is finished. I'm just waiting a few more days before I upload it. This one contains the "smoking gun" footage that completely disproves Percy's transparency theory, and I'm trying to get as much mileage out of it as possible before I make it live. My hunch is that this is probably the same footage that the BA spoke about very early on in this thread. I'm wondering if he ever gave the details regarding that footage? If he did, I missed it.

As for Adam and Jamie, I think they'll probably give me a pass, right?
I doubt they've managed to secure a trademark for a common word. Plus, I didn't use a big heavy iron sign.

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Apollo unbelievers go here for immediate salvation:
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"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

Part 5 is finished. I'm just waiting a few more days before I upload it. This one contains the "smoking gun" footage that completely disproves Percy's transparency theory...

Phantom Wolf & I hammered the "Smoking Gun" footage pretty thoroughly here and here. The weather evidence is definitive. I can e-mail you the highest resolution scans, if you need them.

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That's excellent work with the weather comparisons for July 17th. What satweavers and I did was compare beginning and ending still frames from the 10:32 transmission and the 33:59 transmission. We were able to see around 4 to 5 degrees of rotation in the time spans of those two broadcasts. When the images are flipped back and forth in the vid, the rotation becomes apparent, even from 130K miles out.

But that isn't the smoking gun I was referring to. The NaNa's just poo poo this evidence and accuse me of "stretching" the images.

If you watch the middle broadcast, from 30:28GET, it becomes apparent there is no possible way it could've been accomplished with either a cutout or a transparency. If you've seen it, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDI2MsWSYc

"I had a hand in Tom Morrow's kiester."
-JayUtah

"The only physical proof nasa has that they landed men on the moon is 840 lbs. of rocks"
-straydog02

By the ay, I too have enjoyed the videos on YouTube, nicely done debunking, but I thought the voice overs were slightly (only slightly) impersonal with some clunky intonation, otherwise, great.

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