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15-November-2002, 01:38 AM
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From sibrel's site:www.moonmovie.com
Its rather long folks, so stick with me, sorry [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]: ""NASA has admitted in 2002 that it cannot adequately protect the astronauts working in the International Space Station from radiation, yet it was able to do so with our lunar adventurers in flimsy Apollo modules back in 1969? Ridiculous. I absolutely enjoyed your documentary, and Buzz Aldrin simply punched you because he had no other recourse: you uncovered the truth." Michael (IN) "I just saw the presentation of your documentary in one of my writing classes where we were discussing the difference between opinion and belief. In my entire educational experience I have never seen a more convincing piece of evidence, which disregards the American pride of being the first to land on the moon. And I agree that many of our beliefs are false as we need a scientific approach to prove our them. Spread the word. The world ought to know the truth!" Angad (CA) "I don't think they ever went to the moon! I watched your video today and there is no way around the footage. It's obvious." Mindy "I was watching Jay Leno last night, and what did I see? You getting decked by Buzz Aldrin for apparently asking him to tell the truth. That seals it for me. There is no way we landed on the moon." Eric (NH) "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" was one of the best movies I have ever seen, and changed my perspective on the world as I once knew it! Thank you!" JEREMY(NY) "Bart, What an excellent job you did with this movie. Even the biggest skeptics do not have an answer to the footage you uncovered from NASA. All I can say is, Wow! It certainly leaves no doubt in my mind that the Apollo missions never made it out of earth's orbit." Rick (MO) "I don't believe we ever went. Some think Apollo 11 was the only fake one but I think they all were…The thing that sells yours is the filming of Earth from the capsule, the reflection in the window. If this is really authentic (and I believe it is) then what else can they say? Also, when you watch Armstrong's reaction to Collins at the interview following that segment, you can see he is stressed and ashamed, and Aldrin is in a perpetual haze. Collins, what a liar, and Armstrong...the guy almost broke his neck when you turned to look at Collins, he obviously wanted to say "SHUT THE **** UP, MAN!" Am I the only one seeing this?…Thanks for the great DVD!" zuma____@___.com "Outstanding! I work with a former employee of NASA and he told me all the same things that the movie did and he didn't even know about it! Thank you for taking the risk to wake-up the sheeple! In Christ's name, keep up the good work!" warrior____@_____.com "Last fall I purchased your video and was astounded by what I saw. Previously, I had never given much credence to the photographic "evidence" of a possible phony lunar mission, but after seeing your video I became and remain convinced that the mission was indeed faked. I have shown your video to 3 friends so far. 2 of them were stunned and believe you to be correct (as I do, of course). The 3rd was a female, about 36 and a close friend. Her reaction was so odd. The only way I could describe her reaction was it was if she found out say, her father was having an affair on her mother or that she just faced with evidence that God didn't exist… She started to become angry and said she didn't want to know it and didn't want to watch anymore and oddest of all, "What does this have to do with me?" "What is the point?" Talk about denial!" Randall___@____.com "I purchased your video some time ago and have shown it to quite a few family and friends - the majority of whom now believe that Man never landed on the moon…Here in Ireland, we have had numerous tribunals into political sleaze and corruption and it seems to me that the truth about this should come out. What do the American politicians have to say about this? Also, I hear that the Japanese are planning an unmanned trip in 2004, will this prove that they didn't do it? Best regards and continued success with your video." Matthew (Ireland) "I've been telling people since 1986 that there is no possible way that they could have gone to the moon. Your research will prove my years of talking to really be the truth. I have the tape and I am not shocked, but relieved that the truth is no longer covered. Thank you guys for such powerful material. It's a must-have for all races, the kids must know the truth." Corey (MO) "Excellent film. I found it extremely timely. I teach a course in Canada called "history's mysteries". Used this film along with NASA's great achievements in American space exploration as points of discussion. My students loved it." EV (CANADA) "I have never used an educational tool with the sheer impact of your documentary… After watching it in class last Monday, my students looked like stunned fish. First they were speechless, then they couldn't stop talking. I am using your film in my college classroom to teach students basic principles of proof, refutation, and examining the foundations of their own beliefs. Frankly, I have never had such an effective teaching tool for thawing intellectual inertia among students…" Doug (CA) "I just finished watching the video and all I can say is… Fantastic! Shocking. This video has confirmed many of my thoughts on American events from the 1960's to the current. I cannot stress how important this film is. Especially in the light of 9/11. One can easily draw several parallels. War, power, greed, corruption and deception. This is a great documentary and entertaining to boot. I will recommend your film to friends…" Randall (CT) "There's only one way I can describe my reaction after seeing this documentary, "Shocked." I was born in 1972, the supposed "last time men went to the moon", so I wasn't around to see Apollo 11. If this documentary can get to me, imagine what effect it must have on those who were around to see the event take place as it "happened"? Everyone should see this film, no matter how painful it may be." Donovan (PA) "…Excellent video. As a professional photographer, I see that the evidence is clear that the photographs have numerous technical errors. I am convinced these photos are staged as anyone with minimal experience in photography will quickly see. The footage of them staging this fake event actually coming from NASA leaves no question the moon landing was a fraud. Another unsolved mystery solved." J.D. (IL) (G99:Where did they dig up this guy?) "Fantastic, great! Thank you and may God bless your efforts…." Terry (GA) "Excellent documentary. Stunning. Even my grandparents were speechless. The video of the crew faking the shot out of the window sealed the coffin shut as far as our opinions are concerned. Neil Armstrong and the rest of the crew are nothing but liars and tricksters and that's how history WILL end up remembering them. This evidence is far too damaging to go unnoticed." Rich (CA) "I thought this movie was outstanding! I saw it at a friend's house and I want to buy a VHS copy… it is about time the truth came out and that people start to see the truth about what our government is capable of! God Bless!" warrior_@___.com "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon was a thought-provoking, superlatively made documentary. I have to admit, the evidence submitted for a moon landing hoax is more than enough to make you think." Marvin_@___.com "I purchased 2 each of your videos. Extremely revealing…" Richard (CA) "I have seen this film and I believe every word." Pat (MD) "Great work you all. Really, I mean it. This film is outstanding… You guys deserve the absolute highest recognition in this area. Thanks so much for working to make this, it is worth so much more than you are charging." Brad (TX)" --------------------------------------------- [emphasis mine. Bolded are qoutes i picked out as my favorite [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]] Does anyone see something wrong with this picture? I mean i have not seen anyone of significant scientific backgrounds in the quotes (which any good hoaxer or conspiracy theorists has to have the nameless scientist(s) in there to give it validity.) Also no negative quotes. This is some loaded stuff here. Finally and what really scares me alot it the fact that according to this, teachers have shown this movie in their classes and have made their kids believe it is ture. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] Arrrggg.... P.S. i am still convinced that the "photographic expert" is ficticious. _________________ "I am not conceited, i'm perfect" "It takes Thousands to fight a battle for a mile, Millions to hold an election for a nation, but it only takes One to change the world." by Dan Sandler 2002 <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: g99 on 2002-11-14 21:39 ]</font> <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: g99 on 2002-11-14 21:40 ]</font> 
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15-November-2002, 02:40 AM
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Also the amazon reviews are really funny. So there is rationality on the net. Yay!!!! _________________ "I am not conceited, i'm perfect" "It takes Thousands to fight a battle for a mile, Millions to hold an election for a nation, but it only takes One to change the world." by Dan Sandler 2002 <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: g99 on 2002-11-14 22:59 ]</font>
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15-November-2002, 03:44 AM
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"That movie was the most compelling(by compelling I mean, this is the only side of the argument I've seen and I don't want to see the rebuttal who cares I don't blah blah your right) movie I've ever seen." John Doe(BART SIBREL'S HOUSE)
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15-November-2002, 05:08 PM
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Is there any way to "correct" these reviews or better yet his entire site? Maybe add a clause where all the proceeds go towards a charity to show how "noble" and "self-less" BS is? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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15-November-2002, 05:40 PM
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GIYUL :-) "It takes Thousands to fight a battle for a mile, Millions to hold an election for a nation, but it only takes One to change the world." - Dan Sandler 2002
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15-November-2002, 05:40 PM
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I found the second comment to be deeply disturbing:
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Secondly, I'm disturbed that a student in a writing class use such appallingly poor writing. I have a degree in English, and while I'm the first to admit I screw up from time to time, there's a degree of laziness in that quote that should leave Angad's teachers ashamed. "Disregards the American pride"? "To prove our them"? Perhaps this explains a great deal, both about our educational system and about the growing popularity of this conspiracy theory. <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: calliarcale on 2002-11-15 13:41 ]</font>
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15-November-2002, 05:51 PM
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I think the right approach, that Jay alludes to in this thread: http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/vi...orum=3&start=0 is to get hold of the actual, unedited NASA footage and make it readily available for people to compare with Bart's edited, voiced-over version. A big part of the western economy is built on selling useless junk to gullible people. Sibrel should be free to do the same, but he needs some competition with a better product at a lower price! That's the American way! <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: DaveC on 2002-11-15 13:53 ]</font>
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15-November-2002, 07:31 PM
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Irony alert!
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15-November-2002, 08:16 PM
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Clavius from the start has been a site that essentially tells both sides of the story. I reproduce the hoax believer arguments as carefully as I can, and then right next to that I give the other side of the story. I let the reader decide which is more plausible. In fact, I originally used the hoax believers' arguments verbatim until I got nervous about copyright issues. You can only quote a certain amount of someone else's writing (for any purpose, including Fair Use) before it infringes on their rights.
The best cure for bad speech is and always has been more speech. Curtailing or abridging speech -- even offensive or absurdly ignorant speech -- is not what this country is about. It's much more effective to pit reason against idiocy than it is to simply remove the idiocy. Else how will people learn the difference? Only one bit of Sibrel's rhetoric continues to bother me. He says he doesn't present a balanced view of the facts because NASA has had thirty years to present its side of the case. This is irritating because it presumes NASA's activities up until this time have emphasized defending the authenticity of Apollo. In fact NASA's public relations has almost entirely assumed that the authenticity of Apollo was beyond serious disputation. It has documented a series of events generally and correctly assumed to have actually occurred. Thus it is incorrect to believe that a pro-Apollo viewpoint has had some number of years to present its evidence. Attacks on the authenticity of Apollo focus on topics which, by most conspiracy theorists' estimation, NASA has not yet specifically addressed. And the silence is justified. The hoax arguments have heretofore been confined to the lunatic (pun intended) fringe. NASA simply has not been trying to convince everyone for the past thirty years that Apollo was real; it has simply described a program it assumed everyone believed was real. Sibrel's attempt at justifying selective presentation of the evidence misses the mark entirely. Nothing compels him legally or even ethically to present both sides of the story. But it is dishonest to present one side of the story while conveying the impression that it's the whole story. Ignoring pertinent facts and failing to consider alternative interpretations and explanations for one's observations does not create confidence in one's conclusions.
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17-November-2002, 06:50 AM
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Also, it might be worthwhile to verify if those positive posters' emails are real. Just a thought....
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17-November-2002, 08:08 AM
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gastown, it probobly would not work. He probobly made up half of the quotes and he would never let a negative review on the site. But i will try. I will try to make me not sound like a scientist so he might not thrpow it our right away [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img].
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GIYUL :-) "It takes Thousands to fight a battle for a mile, Millions to hold an election for a nation, but it only takes One to change the world." - Dan Sandler 2002
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18-November-2002, 04:10 PM
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I writed real good in the post, aint i? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Like I said, I'm the first to admit that I do screw up sometimes!
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