Lookee this page I ran across. What a mess of paranoia, lies, selective quoting, and other foaming-at-the-mouth misinformation. It's hard to even describe it.

http://us.geocities.com/nasa_moons_usa/

I was going to provide some quotes, but there's just too much there to comment on. I'll suffice it to say I did come across some claims I've never heard before, such as that NASA has killed dozens of people in it's tests, and that Soviet cosmonaut Pavel Beyelev is actually lying dead on the far side of the Moon, the only human to ever have reached it. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

Yeesh! Anyway, I'll leave the rest for you all to puzzle out. I have a headache from trying to work my way through it. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]

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hehehe good find! This will keep me up with something to read when i should be studying for a final. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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http://us.geocities.com/nasa_moons_usa/
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GHAAAAA!!!

I think my brain just melted.

Somtimes I have to wonder if people who make sites like this really believe in this or if they are just trying to yank chains. Even the most trivial research shows the claims of horror and moral turpitude to be false at worst or misperceptions/misquotes at best.
Its becoming more apparent that as we have discussed before that conspiracy theories have much more to do with psychology of the conspirator and their followers and sociology in general than with their purported subjects.

I wonder if anyone has done a psychology of consiracy theorists. That would be a good doctoral study in my opinion.

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I actually read most of this guy's site about a year ago. I found it highly entertaining. The guy has obviously put an enormous amount of time into it. The information of course must be taken with a grain of salt. A very small grain of salt. The information is brimming with unsupported claims. Hard to tell if he really believes what he is writing or if it is done with tongue firmly in cheek. I think if someone could wade through that site and compress his hodgepodge of ideas into a movie script it would be a block buster. You don't have to believe a particular conspiracy theory in order for it to have significant entertainment value.

I just emailed him...

"I was just wondering if you actually believe in the stuff on your site (http://us.geocities.com/nasa_moons_usa/) or did you do it just for fun? I am looking for people who believe too!"

I added that last line on there just in case he actually believes in it so I can get a reply. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] -Colt

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Colt, just be carefull on posting the e-mail

From the faq #4:
" Do not post private email you have received without express permission of the sender. This is very impolite, to say the least. The first time, you will be warned. The second time, you will be banned"


I almost got in trouble with a similar rule. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Just give us a synopsys or something like a yes or no.

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A grain of salt...and a Zantac.

I think this guy really believes what he's writing. I followed some links to other pages he has written, and they all have the same paranoid New-World-Order-mentioned-every-other-sentence style of writing. And the themes of these pages tend to be how government rules and regulations are deceiving us, and how to avoid being taken in by them. Some of it is no doubt really true, but the style is so anti-government that it loses all credibility.

Look at the links at the bottom of this page:
http://www.geocities.com/winningwebsites/

One thing I find most ironic about all his writing is how he keeps harping on about how Americans are being "dumbed down" by controlled education and losing critical thinking skills. And then he goes on to accept just about any fantastical story out there. Here's a perfect example:
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(D. Hall) I think this guy really believes what he's writing.

There really are some very unbalanced, fanatical types out there. The theme is always how we're being brainwashed by The System to such an extent that we can't see what the present cabal is doing to us.

Funny, though, how the physical world just keeps on corresponding to what we've been taught as science in school.

Some of it is no doubt really true, but the style is so anti-government that it loses all credibility.

That's the really sad part. You know, American government really does require vigorous vigilance on the part of its citizens. It's a high-maintenance form of government. However, crackpots like this give a bad name to criticism of the government. Chicken Littles like this one numb the constituency to bona fide problems with government.

One thing I find most ironic about all his writing is how he keeps harping on about how Americans are being "dumbed down" by controlled education and losing critical thinking skills.

Critical thinking is not just the process of questioning the conclusion. It is the method of logical analysis that seeks to determine whether the conclusion is supported or not. Critical thinking is not blind rejection, as practiced by so many conspiracity theorists. It can be, at times, a means of vindication. At any rate, if rejection is the outcome then it must be rejection on suitable grounds, not simply because one disbelieves the conclusion.

(Quoting from site) Thanks to the ignorance of Americans after years of lying by infotainment corps and school teachers, the dumbed-down sheeple cannot tell a scientific truth from a scientific lie.

It's pretty easy. Scientific truths correspond to observations in the physical world. Scientific lies do not.

Junk science from Star Trek ...

Hey, don't diss "Star Trek"!

One of the ironies of the space age is the number of complaints received by NBC when it pre-empted an episode of "Star Trek" to cover the drama of Neil Armstrong's near-fatal Gemini flight.

The bottom line is that all spacecraft require walls with the equivalent of 12-foor-thick concrete in order to successfully block nuclear radiation from the Sun and stars.

And after all that, where's the scientific proof? I love these people who can't put a single equation together, but have the temerity to lecture us on how we've all been deceived. Clearly this person lives in a reality of his own concoction.

Um, wasn't Armstrong's Gemini 8 flight in March of '66? Star Trek didn't premiere until September '66 . . .

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Oops, I guess another urban legend bites the dust. Or perhaps it was a different Gemini mission.

This site has just too much "content" to comment on. But right away, I knew this guy didn't do his research and was just typing "stuff" he read in other websites, or heard from his fellow conspiracy theorists. Just look at his opening quote:

Uh, ok Jim Lovel did indeed say that, but it was on Apollo 8, and the Hollywood version was HBO's "From the Earth to the Moon" and the actor who said it was Tim Daly. Plus, Lovel wasn't saying to Ken Mattingly (he wasn't even there, Frank Borman and Bill Anders were), but announced it to NASA and the world. If this guy can't even get his opening paragraph right, what hope is there for the rest of his website?

All this thinking about FTETTM puts me in the mood to go and watch the series. See ya later. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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My best part on that site is the first line:

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He also says something about Sally Ride being killed in the Challenger accident. Last I heard, she was alive and well and teaching at Stanford.

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What! She died on Challenger, then shows up later very much alive? Sounds like the script for 'Capricorn One'.

So far I haven't received anything in reply to my email.. Not sure if that account is even active anymore, anyone know when tha webpage was last updated? Don't have the time to check now. -Colt

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It says "website launched March, 2002", so it isn't that old. I don't see any indication that it's been updated since that time though.

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Yes, and I think this would be a great example. Just look at some of his arguments:

No question that NASA's pilots where the best and bravest pilots the Pentagon could produce - Neil Armstrong had already flown the X-15 rocket-plane to such high altitude that he already had his Astronaut "wings" before he ever worked for NASA;
No doubt that NASA did launch the brave astronauts into low-Earth parking orbit - as publicly admitted by NASA for 30 years using crystal-clear video (unlike the ultra-blurry B/W video or dead video of Moon landings);
NASA used file photos/video of the Moon surface taken by previous unmanned robotic missions by Pioneer, Surveyor and Apollo;
a previously "documented" fake Moon walkabout was filmed indoors for delayed/edited telecast - not outdoors on "a remote Arizona plateau";
simulators and special FX crews used cutting-edge Hollywood tricks to simulate exterior shots of Lunar orbits, landings and takeoffs;
it is possible, but unlikely, that NASA was able to successfully land an unmanned LEM on the Moon and get it to take off without the aid of 100,000-member launch crew stuck on Earth
astronauts did actually make a normal re-entry from orbit, lending a genuine air of accomplishment and satisfaction for the crews, thus aiding in "plausible deniability" and making it harder for the public and out-of-the-loop ground controllers to pin the tale on the astronauts
Moon rocks might actually be returned from the Moon with robotic vehicles, though probably not in the totals allegedly removed by Apollo
unmanned robot landers could provide all the experiments allegedly landed by Apollo crews
the "bad astronomer" - a recent-but-longtime employee of NASA (which was never mentioned in the PAX show) never once complained about Apollo's failure to do any astronomy whatsoever from the surface of the Moon - PAX never mentioned that Bill Kaysing was also an employee of NASA during the early days of the Moon race and had firsthand experience with the technical dangers of space motors.

And he says: Even psychiatrists admit one is not paranoid when they are really out to get you.

I guess this sums it up. Pretty sad.

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