It is fascinating that while most people are quite happy to accept science fiction for what it is.... fiction, some people have terrible trouble in distinguishing story-telling from reality.

I also remember David Icke from the days when he was a respectable BBC sports reporter, then he disappeared from view until I saw him on a cable access show in Austin, Texas. The first half of his video was typical conspiracy theory, Illuminati-talking-over-the-world stuff, but my jaw dropped when he started talking about the British shape-shifting reptilian alien royal family (though, thankfully, Princess Diana was not one of them

He was interviewed on a "Top Ten Conspiracies" TV show in the UK last year, and he was, not surprisingly, a little gun shy about his reptilian alien ideas (complained that without the "full context" it would sound like a joke... riiight...).

As for Alex Jones, he's a fellow Austinite and is on cable access *all* the time here. Someone once called in and asked him what he thought about David Icke's ideas (they both espouse the "problem-reaction-solution" of government control). Jones did say he thought Icke had some of the right ideas, but that aliens was taking it a little too far.

Alex Jones can be fun to watch, especially when you get him riled up. He goes into a rant and speaking in funny (mocking) voices and stares into the camera with wild eyes. Clearly he's not far from the edge.

The question is, which side of the edge?

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I was "put on" to davids work not too long ago by a friend. I dont really agree with what he says but i do not discount everything either. Who are we to say what is and what is not. It is only perception. But when we nit pick at what people say we become blind to the bigger picture(a truth that is trying to manifest the best way it can through words whether real or symbolic) David might say one thing we dont like and we then totally or alomst so, discount what he says. We begin to judge the man as a whole everything he is from words, come on now. I hear many of u "educated" or "bright" people who sound like racists, capitolists, whatever-ist, cuz thats what it come down to we are all an ist, whether one or another (bull****). Now do we have to beleive in a conspiriacy theory or reptilians to really know that THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THE WORLD, can we not agree on that one thing. Are u so comfortable or unconfortable in your life situation that the problems of your brother are not yours. This is bigger than David icke whether what he says is tru or not (i dont care) I get angry when i read alot of posts and think how ignorant people are, and how they have to hold onto something, but by getting angry or even replying (as i am now) i am adding fuel to the fire and i become just as ignorant as U. There are few facts in my perception of life, we defile all that is good. Why can people not eat, when there is enough food to go around? why must we go to war when we can find piece in ourselves.This is not about david icke, this is about me and u, what are u defending?, what am i defending? Even in the above entries, some of u qoute 1 single sentence from what someone writes and then go off about that one thing, discounting a possible truth that is also in the same text. THEY ARE JUST WORDS, dont get caught on words.
I cant wait to see who will nit pick at what i have said and qoute that one little piece of writing they do not agree with, just as with David. Spell check anyone?
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Ummm, yes it (this thread) is about David Icke. That's why it has the title "Where are the David Icke-ers?"

edit - oops. Sorry, I didn't notice the poster had already been banned.

He may be back - he's only on suspension :-)

I don't think nitpicking your post will be necessary

The problem with David Icke is one of credibility. If he wants to be taken seriously, then perhaps he should lay off some of his more bizarre public pronouncements. As it is, there are plenty of other conspiracy theorists out there who avoid such extreme irrationalities, so there is little incentive to make the effort with Icke to try to sort through all his nonsense claims to get at what could be some truth buried in there. He is doing himself no favours.

For example, although I am not a believer in the global conspiracy Icke espouses, I do agree that there is a case to be made that certain elites in the "military industrial complex" have far too much power in shaping policy here in America and in other parts of the world. However, I don't need David Icke to tell me that, or even Alex Jones, I just have to read the news reports and analysis in many of the better news outlets.

In any case, why would you want to rely on somebody who is so "out there" for anything? How can you even begin to sort the truth from fiction? There are many pseudoscientists and self-proclaimed psychics who will predict for you where the next few major earthquakes will happen. (They are almost always wrong.) Does that mean they have earned the right to be heard on some less outlandish claims about earthquakes they may speak of? Of course not. And why should they? There are plenty of real seismologists out there who can tell you more than you would even want to know about earthquakes, so why bother with the cranks?

So, by all means go ahead and sort though Icke's insane ramblings (sorry, but theories about shape-shifting alien royalty must qualify as insane) to extract a nugget of truth that may (or may not) be in there. But I think that most readers of this forum believe it's not just not worth their time.

He's like a stopped clock. Just because there may be moments when it tells the correct time, it doesn't mean that it is worth referring to.

I guess we must believe everything or nothing, anything in between would be considered gray and from what I hear thats the worst of them all . in anything.

All we're saying is that while there are definitely things that Icke talks about that should be taken seriously, you're much better getting your information from less unreliable sources. For there are plenty of people who manage to do so without needing to bring 7ft tall lizardmen into the subject.

I don't know for sure, but I think he is not so much a stopped clock, as one that has been crushed by 1000 kg weight and then thrown into a active volcano.

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You're not hinting that he is a Scientologist are you?
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