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Now that hurricane Rita has gained category 5 status, how long will it be before :

Richard Hoagland claims that it reached this strength so quickly because of "hyperdimensional physics"?

Scott Stevens claims that Rita was formed and targeted by the Russians to target the gulf oil platforms again (maybe he will also explain why THIS storm DOESN'T have a Russian name)?

Someone of an extreme religious bent claims that Rita was sent by god to clean up (you name the city or area hit hardest by the storm)?

Any more quack ideas that this latest hurricane will foster from the willy woo-woo crowd?

Regards, tbm

Speaking of RCH, I'll bet he's hard at work with his magical image manipulation machine trying to make (non) sense of this image:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA...OAT/VIS/20.jpg

Reeeegards, tbm

Maybe it's just that I've not been paying attention to woo woo breeding grounds like I used to and this was always the case, but I seem to have noticed a relatively recent tendency for almost anything to result in a plethora of woo woo hokum. In addition to hurricanes which don't need woo to invoke fear if one is in it's path, we can't steer a spacecraft into Jupiter, do the "Deep Impact" thing or even detect comets without some people doing the chicken-little dance! Even a near-approach of an asteroid (Toutatis comes to mind) invokes misguided fear in some circles instead of excitement at an opportunity to check out a rare astronomical event. Some of this fearmongering is promoted by opportunists who really know better and just want to make a name for themselves, but it's obvious that many people that buy into this nonsense just don't know real science, and in some cases, are distrustful of it. That's the real shame IMO and why I try to promote critical thinking whenever I can.

"Some of this fearmongering is promoted by opportunists who really know better and just want to make a name for themselves,..........."

Yep, and we can be sure that RCH, McCanney, Stevens, Noory, and many other s fall into THAT cateory!

Regards, tbm

Rita looks to weaken further.

Here is my own theory as to why Hurricanes intensify overnight:

That is when Coast-to-Coast AM comes on to feed them hot air.

The Spanish are in on it.

Plenty will appear at this board as people analyze the economic impact of the storm...

This would be more appropriate in Conspiracy Theories. Moved.

Actually, on UT we used to get a message from the Planet X folks every time there was a major hurricane, saying that it was caused by PX's gravity making low pressure in the tropical Atlantic.

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Speaking of RCH, I'll bet he's hard at work with his magical image manipulation machine trying to make (non) sense of this image:

Looks like an overhead view of a cheese danish to me.

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Thanks. There is a fine line between many theories that are against the mainstream and those involving a conspiracy. I kinda just picked one.

tbm

More grist for the woo-woo mill:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050922/...es_spies__eyes

See? The govmint is into it hip-deep!

tbm

I'm in opposition.

I'm usualy two sided when i look at conspiracies, but this time i just can't.

He's even got a website

www.davidicke.com

He also seems to watch the MATRIX to much

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How popular is the Divine retribution theory, i.e that this is judgement metered put against the great Satan. (Or those affected states for some imagined moral offences)

I just wonder if those making that kind of stuff have ever read Luke 13

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Actually it's a partial anagram of the Gulf's previous hurricane

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That should be enough for the woos among us.

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hyperdimensional!! hyperdimensional!! Make up name, make up concept!!

I am calm now...

"Now that hurricane Rita has gained category 5 status, how long will it be before :Richard Hoagland claims that it reached this strength so quickly because of "hyperdimensional physics"?"

It did not take him very long. However this time he is blaming it on a secret government weapons project.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm

CAUTION: don't read this stuff just after a meal!!!!

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Another disaster, another woowoo feeding frenzy.

Why can't these folks simply do something useful for a change and either try to help or simply get out of the way? After all, sometimes NFBSK just happens.

- Maha (needs a few margaritas after that rant) Vailo

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I was expecting this to show up already. He blames everything on the illuminati and the government. The NWO are at it again advancing their agenda of world domination.

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You will always find conspiracies there. Open an account and expose them. But careful, they may call you a 'government sheep".

Scott Stevens was mentioned briefly at the beginning of this thread. He's apparently really popular now.

Here in the Lost Angeles area, I was listening to the afternoon drivetime buttheads this evening. Instead of the usual fare of foaming-at-the-mouth illegal alien bashing (give up -- nothing is gonna change), camping out in front of courthouses where notorious trials are being held (with bullhorns -- why the judges don't slam 'em into the tank I've never understood), and the like, maybe they feel they need to compete with Matt Drudge (now there's a name) and George Noury and Art Bell. This evening they were giving airtime to this Stevens nutcase:

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/clim...atherman_x.htm

http://www.flashnews.com/news/wfn1050908J5463.html

Here's the loony's own page:
http://www.weatherwars.info/

Yup, it has the Tipoff Word in there: Chemtrails. Yes, he sees cloud pictures too. Squares, T-squares, boxes, circles.
http://www.weatherwars.info/bestofsquares.htm


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"Mao Tse Tung doing the nasty with Hillary Clinton"


Uh, I see that cloud ALL the time. Uh-huh.

tbm

Bummer. Turns out Mao had no taste.

Very like a whale...

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Really guys how can you believe Hyper-dimensional energy (or whatever Hoagland is proposing) is increasing the strength of Rita? Really. Everyone knows its the aliens who use their technology to ravage our planet in an attempt to embarress George Bush.

Conspiracy theorists now just find it habit to blame any natural event on some spooky effect that no-one but them has discovered. We understand the dynamics of hurricanes quite well so outlandish theories are not the best way to add to one's reputation. You only use outlandish theories when general science can't explain the facts comprehensively.

Almost forgot. The hurricane / chemtrails / HAARP woo-woo who was on local yak radio the other night, made another allegation -- that the Russians sank the USS Thresher in 1963 using a HAARP-like "beam."

Easy enough to find the loonie bins.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1353.cfm

http://www.franz-lee.org/files/spa_00180.html

Oooh, oooh, this is just too good:
"However, talking about the "Columbia National Disaster", do you know that on November 12, 1981, Shuttle Columbia STS2 supposedly carried Astronauts Joseph Engle and Richard Truly. In fact there were no human pilots aboard. It was shot down by Russian TU-144 jet airplanes using beam weapons, over the White Sea, Finland."

(Folks, the TU-144 was the Soviet version of the Concorde).

"Why it does not rain so much anymore?"

But it does; you just don't notice it when wearing a tinfoil beanie.


More of this Columbia-that-wasn't loony tune:
http://www.subversiveelement.com/FireFromSky14.html


As for Scottie Stevens, reading his bio, it does not appear that he actually finished a degree in meteorology. Says he went to U. of Kansas because "the math requirements at KU weren't too tough." (Nor the evolution requirements, I suppose). Looking at the timeline, it doesn't look like he could have finished before taking a full-time job. So his meteorological qualification is -- and you have to love this -- a Boy Scout Merit Badge.

Pete

Somewhat off-topic, but still sort of relevent... Many of the HAARP-centric conspiracy theories seem to imply that the HAARP array can actually target specific areas of the planet (completely disregarding line-of-sight, even when "the signal" is "bounced" off the ionosphere).

Now, everything I've read about HAARP indicates that it's effective target is "straight up", only affecting an area of some tens of kilometers at the target altitude [1].

I don't get it...

Well, that means he took the Boy Scout oath:

Quote:

Boy Scout Oath (or Promise)

So how could one doubt him, what with his direct line to the almighty? Plus he's by definition, straight, so he's got to be OK.

As a former Scout (made it to Explorer), I always wondered about the "To help other people at all times" bit. How do you do that when you're sleeping? Then maybe there's a case for do-gooders being out of the way.

That's not to mention the first part.

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After seeing the stuff from Stevens, Hoagland, and others, one can't blame the Russians if they think we are a bunch of idiots.

Regards, tbm

Tell me something, did you guys actually want a debate on this, or just another chance to kick idiots like Hoagland, and Stevens in the proverbial nuts, some out here are concerned about the effects of climate change, and how this bodes for future generations, this does not make me a woo-woo. Got plenty of "science" on this if you want it,and its compiled from very reputable sources, not head-banger web sites.