It's time to HIJACK a STARSHIP.

Read the memo and then an op-ed news article:

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=18391

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1072

Compared to the Chinese effort which has really only just started and they could likely launch another set of humans before NASA could. The Russians certainly could since the Russians have been the leaders in most of the major 'Space Firsts' in history:

Russian Space Firsts:
Some history:
http://www.fas.org/spp/guide/russia/launch/energia.htm

http://www.fas.org/spp/eprint/lindroos_moon1.htm

First sea launch ballistic missile
First Satellite (Sputnik)
First Animal (Dog)
First Human (Yuri Gagarin)
First Woman (Lt. Valentina Tereshokva)
First Spacewalk Male (Alexei Leonov)
First Spacewalk Female (Svetlana Savitskaya)
First image Moon's far side
First Lunar Orbit of robotic spacecraft
First robotic soft landing on Moon
First artificial Martian satellite
First soft landing on Mars and first data returned (ok it screwed up after a few seconds because of dust storm but it did land an started transmitting data )
First robotic return sample to Earth from Moon (Luna 24)
First spacecraft to land on Venus and return data (Venera 7)
First Space Station
Longest orbiting and habited station
Longest in-space record for an individual human
First Space tourist ( American Dennis Tito )
First Space Commercial shot from space for a Japanese drink maker


It is clear that our national space effort is in a miserable state of affairs that is becoming openly visible and embarrassing. To have gone from putting humans on the Moon in 1969...36 YEARS AGO...to not being able to launch another human into even Low Earth Orbit (LEO) at the present and only iffy chances of it happening in 2006.

We had such grand plans:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/taskgrp.html

This is the OPEN program of NASA. The above memos along with White House Office of Management n Budget talking of scuttling the Shuttle altogether bodes an ominous future for NASA employees. There are nearly 500 lay-offs scheduled for the Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena between in-house and contractor cancellations along with scaling back staff on the Mars Exploration Rovers and the Cassini Spacecraft teams; both of which have lost staff within last 2 weeks of this writing. How long are NASA human space flight jobs in Houston Texas and Cape Kennedy in Florida safe? How about jobs at other NASA centers across the country? Is this the Apollo on Steroids vision for returning to somewhere we've already been? This is the way we get Americans to Mars?

The Russians and Chinese are increasing cooperation in Space while we are openly discussing dissing our own International Space Station partners and now openly discussing just dropping them like the hot-potatoes the Iraqi Shiite were during the First Gulf War under the First President George Bush Sr. He wasn't SERIOUS about HIS grand Moon-Mars vision nearly 15 years ago and his son isn't really serious about an OPEN NASA Moon-Mars Mission Vision either. There is about as much enthusiasm coming from the White House about space as there is about answering questions about Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

We have no MAINSTREAM clear indications of what the Aerospace Program of America might consist of in Area51/Dreamland, S4, Utah Test Facilities and what is kept archived at Wright Patterson AFB. We do however have loads n loads of government documents, both from FOIA and other means. Through the DISCLOSUREPROJECT.ORG we now have over 500 Astronauts, Generals, Majors, Captains, Spies n other assorted 'Spooks', Pilots and others who have SEEN and been involved with that Secret Space Program and state that there IS such a thing and it is real and it exists and it is OPERATIONAL.

There are people who are in there now...who KNOW what I say is BRUTAL TRUTHS.

There are people who currently have their hands on the sticks and throttles and their fingers on switches and triggers of the highly secretive and highly advanced Starships that Area51/Dreamland have developed over the decades to bring about ground hanger to LEO transport and back again in a reliable, safe, repeatable, and cost reasonableness that far outshines ANYTHING that the OPEN NASA space effort could ever hope to achieve on its own.

If those in power now, who have been behind the Majestic 12 cover-up of this technology since the 1950's, won't make it known that such OTHER possibilities exist for America's Space efforts...then it is past time that ONE (1) Lone Patriot step up and carry out what the Declaration of Independence brought about for our Founding Fathers. When a government no longer represents the BEST interests of those it governs, it is not only incumbent upon, but the US Constitution REQUIRES those who can, to fight ALL enemies both foreign AND DOMESTIC. It is the DOMESTIC leaders who are suppressing technological growth and world peace by suppressing evidence that humanity has never been alone in the Universe. Those flying Starships are the REAL tangible nuts and bolts brutal truths that if hijacked and parked in Times Square cannot be then denied, hidden, 'spun away', or debunked, by ANYONE. Something REAL and shiny and metallic and settling silently down, hovering n then landing stopping ALL traffic, commanding ALL media attention, in the middle of thousands, then tens of thousands of people, while BILLIONS of people watch...we're not alone in the Universe anymore...we never were.

This paradigm shift is required to end the tribal warfare that has been plaguing humankind since Cain n Able. We need someone, a Spock, a Starbuck...to Hijack a Starship from Area51/Dreamland and take it to New York City to lay a NEW foundation of brutal truths for ALL humanity to understand and embrace.

To fly it around the Statue of Liberty and slowly, majestically land it in TIMES SQUARE in open daylight, in real-time to make it known that there IS a better TIMETABLE to follow...there IS a better GOLDEN PATH to walk forward into the future on than what our current direction and speed is taking us.

TIMES SQUARE n a NEW COMPASS in a new DIRECTION !

A new FOUNDING CORNERSTONE for a BRIGHTER FUTURE !

There is NO other way. The Powers in Washington and elsewhere where the REAL money resides do not want the BETTER future for humanity. They want the continued decline, the sheeple mentality making good little dumbed-down worker/buyer bees. GM today just agreed to be one more giant corporation who is going to defraud their retirees of their healthcare and other benefits. Corporate greed run amok and they have their very best bought politicians in Washington now doing all the law changing and bureaucratic rules and procedures to benefit THEM and NOT the PEOPLE. Wonder why President Bush JR wants his PERSONAL lawyer on the Supreme Court? Doing something 'Unconstitutional'? Why hasn't the DISCLOSUREPROJECT.ORG Astronauts, Generals, Majors, Captains, Spies n other Spooks, Pilots and others NOT being 'Special Prosecuted' for violating 'National Security' talking about Area 51/Dreamland Flying Saucers? Because to keep the things they are keeping secret is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and THEY KNOW THIS!!!

Watching another History Channel Documentary on Majestic 12 and understand having watched so many other types that no matter how many documents from government archives and no matter how many people join the ALREADY LARGE and PRESTIGEOUS chorus of Astronauts, Generals, Spies, Pilots and others come forward to tell the brutal truth we've never been alone through DISCLOSUREPROJECT.ORG. The MAINSTREAM Media seem to NEVER want to bring the subject up. The MAINSTREAM Media doesn't want to handle the issues at all despite the credentials and the paper trails through government archives. MAINSTREAM Media has failed us. They failed us in NOT questioning more intensely the build-up to the Iraq War and they've failed us in covering the War itself and failed to be brutally truthful about what is REALLY going on in Washington. Though SOME are starting to wake up to the swindle they've been had and that there IS some type of problem that needs addressing.

I come back to the same SINGLE (1) SOLUTION...

Hijacking a Starship...

A GOOD Spock/Starbuck would be able to disable their option to take remote control of the ship and bring it back.

As I stated elsewhere, and is being re-enforced through EVERY action or inaction for ALL sides in the issues of Cover-up or Disclosure...the ONLY and REAL and VIABLE and ACTUAL option that has a 'icy-dirtballs' chance of working is for that single lone Patriot to step up and do it for their country...for ALL of humanity...

HIJACK THAT DATA/STARSHIP !!!

Fly it to New York around Statue of Liberty...

Hover and land the thing in TIMES SQUARE...

A CORNERSTONE for humanity's future...

A shiny metal REAL thing that CANNOT be 'spun' away...

A shiny metal REAL thing that CANNOT be 'hidden' away...

A shiny metal REAL thing that can be touched...

A shiny metal REAL thing the ULTIMATE Reality TV...

A shiny metal REAL thing that CANNOT be denied...

A shiny metal REAL thing that CANNOT be lied about...

A shiny metal REAL thing that CAN be taken...

A shiny metal REAL thing that CAN be landed...

A shiny metal REAL thing that CAN be embraced...

A shiny metal REAL thing that is the ONLY thing which will work...

Otherwise I fear we are doomed to our mass graves...

The Cylons will have won...

Their plan for the destruction of ALL humankind...perfected.

Spock/Starbuck...HIJACK THE STARSHIP !!!

Without it...no matter who leads we have seen...we loose.

It REALLY is that simple now...

We need ONE(1) Lone Patriot to HIJACK the Starship...

Or we shall all meet in the mass graves of what could have been...

The 'TOPS' care not for the people...

It is the SECRECY of POWER they cherish n covet...

The Cylons know the ego of power all too well...

The Cylons have played human vs human like MAESTRO...

We puny humans look to leaders who fail us...

We puny humans look to leaders who lie to us...

We puny humans look to leaders who mislead us...

The 'Starpeople' will NOT come to our rescue...

Spock/Starbuck...HIJACK THE STARSHIP !!!

Without it...no matter who leads we have seen...we loose.

It REALLY is that simple now...

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see Americans back on the Moon...

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see Americans on Mars...

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see Americans beyond Mars...

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see American 'Disclosure'...

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see Americans admit Cydonia is REAL...

Anyone OVER 20 will continue to be OIL WAR cannon fodder...

The 'Starpeople' will NOT come to our rescue...

Spock/Starbuck...HIJACK THE STARSHIP !!!

Without it...no matter who leads-we have seen...we loose.

It REALLY is that simple now...

ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgment of character.

It REALLY is that simple.

We are on the WRONG TIMETABLE !

We are on the WRONG GOLDEN PATH !

Spock/Starbuck...HIJACK the Starship !

Bob...
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First sea launch ballistic missile

The US was more interested in Bombers than missiles. You can put more on them and they were more accurate.

First Satellite (Sputnik)

Only because of Politics. von Braun's ABMA was ready to launch a satelite in 1955 but were denied the opportunity (in fact banned from even attempting it) until 1957 when they threatened to resign if not allowed too.

First Animal (Dog)

But they weren't able to recover it.

First Human (Yuri Gagarin)

The craft wasn't able to soft land however and he had bail out before the capsule crashed.

First Woman (Lt. Valentina Tereshokva)

List padding for the most part. Man, Woman, no difference really as far as the rocket cares.

First Spacewalk Male (Alexei Leonov)

Only by risking his life. The Soviets didn't do a second spacewalk for 5 years until after the US had started Apollo.

First Spacewalk Female (Svetlana Savitskaya)

List padding. Man\Woman, no difference to the spacesuit.

First image Moon's far side

Done in 1959, the US had already launched 3 missions to do this in 1958, but they failed.

First robotic soft landing on Moon
First Lunar Orbit of robotic spacecraft

Also list padding, it was the same craft.

First artificial Martian satellite
First soft landing on Mars and first data returned (ok it screwed up after a few seconds because of dust storm but it did land an started transmitting data )

Again list padding. On top of that, both missions were a failure. The US's first attempts were total successes. Mariner 9, Viking 1 and 2

First robotic return sample to Earth from Moon (Luna 24)

The US never did a robotic return sample, they used people and still beat the Soviets. It was Luna 16 anyways.

First spacecraft to land on Venus and return data (Venera 7)

The Soviets did a major program to study Venus while the US was concentrating on sending men to the moon. The US didn't switch focus to Venus until after their Mars' program in 1978/9 when they sent Pioneer and landed four probes from it.

First Space Station

Again, while the US put nearly all their resourses getting to the Moon, the Soviets split theirs, sending robots to Venus and Mars, build a space station and trying to get to the moon. Different approaches resulted in different things. On top of that the Soviets had a "First at any cost" attitude, the US didn't.

Longest orbiting and habited station

The US has never really been interested in stations. They had a slight fling with Skylab and now with the ISS but it's never been a piority.

Longest in-space record for an individual human

Set because the pick up rocket couldn't make it to pick them up.

First Space tourist ( American Dennis Tito )
First Space Commercial shot from space for a Japanese drink maker

NASA simply isn't interested in space tourist and commercialism. Russia needs the money and will do anything because their space program is almost broke.

Of course none of the US firsts are mentioned, nor the US successes matched to the Soviet/Russian ones. The US space record is nowhere near rivaled by the Soviet one.

Here's my list and you'll note it's not complete, but it is longer without the padding (I could have added flybys past Neptune, and Uranus.)

1) First satellite to enter Van Allen Belt (Explorer 1)
2) First television weather satellite (Tiros 1)
3) First communications satellite (Echo 1)
4) First probe to study the Sun (Pioneer 5)
5) First manned spacecraft to successfully soft land (Freedom 7)
6) First successful probe to Venus (Mariner 2)
7) First satellite in polar orbit (Nimbus 1)
8) First commercial communications satellite in geosynchronous orbit (Intelsat 1)
9) First chemical analysis of lunar soil (Surveyor 5)
10) First robotic lander to lift off from moon surface (Surveyor 6)
11) First successful Mars Probe (Mariner 4)
12) First manned spacecraft rendezvous (Gemini 6-7)
13) First docking with a seperately launched target vehicle (Gemini 8)
14) First manned mission into Van Allen belts. (Gemini 10)
15) First teethering of two Spacecraft in orbit. (Gemini 11)
16) First manned flight round the Moon (Apollo 8)
17) First EVA between two space vehicles (Apollo 9)
18) First manned landing on Moon (Apollo 11)
19) First rover on the Moon (Apollo 15)
20) First successful lander on Mars (Viking 1)
21) First robotic probe to Jupiter (Voyager 1)
22) First robotic probe to Saturn and beyond (Voyager 2)
23) First reusable Spacecraft (Space Shuttle Columbia)
24) First space telescope (Hubble)
25) First Jupiter Orbiter (Galileo)
26) First Robotic Mars Rover (Pathfinder)
27) First Saturn Orbiter (Cassini)

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

So Bob care to speculate why this has never occurred - why no one has stolen a 'ship'? No whistleblowers (believerable ones). Why no foreign government has outed the truth? Why the Media doesn't expose the story?

This is a multi-generational conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands if not millions of people -why is the security so absolute and so tight - compared to such trivia things like the Manhattan project which leaked like a sieve?

It REALLY is that simple now...

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see Americans back on the Moon...

Well, lets see. 2018 is the year to look for, so you're claiming that everyone over 33 then will be dead or blind?

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see Americans on Mars...

Mars is planned for about 2030, so you think no one alive then will be over 45?

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see Americans beyond Mars...

This is probably true, but we are a long way from Interstellar travel unless someone figures out how to break the light barrier.

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see American 'Disclosure'...

Disclosure of what?

Anyone OVER 20 will NOT see Americans admit Cydonia is REAL...

Cydonia is real. It's and area on Mars with some really neat hills.

Oh... you mean artifical, well it's difficult to "admit" something that's so stupidly wrong.

Anyone OVER 20 will continue to be OIL WAR cannon fodder...

nah, we'll be out of oil before that, besides, I'd be more worried about being under 20, they'll be the ones in charge when the oil runs out and the wars really start.

The 'Starpeople' will NOT come to our rescue...

The only thing I agree with, but because there are no Starpeople.

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You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Errors in both lists of firsts:

First satellite of Mars was Mariner 9, it may have been launched after Mars 2 but it got there first.

Plenty of satellites in polar orbit before Nimbus 1. Depending on whether Discoverer 1 was a launch failure or not, first was either Discoverer 1 or Discoverer 2, five years before Nimbus 1.

First EVA between two manned spacecraft was Soyuz 4/Soyuz 5, a few months before Apollo 9.

Pioneer 10 was first to Jupiter, Pioneer 11 was first to Saturn, Voyager 2 first to Uranus and Neptune.

First lunar soft landing and orbit were different spacecraft (Luna 9 and Luna 10).

You could give the US the first Mercury, comet and asteroid missions, too.

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You could give the US the first ... comet ... missions

Was there a US mission to a comet prior to Vega 1 and 2?

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

ICE to comet Giacobini-Zinner in 1985.

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rhw007, you appear to have a little trouble with your caps shift key.

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Wow, I expected a rather amusing and funny post... at first, I kinda liked the post.. then it went on and on and on and took all the stereotypical Conspiracy Theory (tm) turns.

I just have this to say:

Yes, I mean, no world leader wants to be known for technological (thus economic) growth, nor world peace. Heaven forbid if any world leader actually looks GOOD in the world's eyes. Oh, and it it is DEFINITELY desirable to avoid "technological growth" in, say... military terms. I mean, using fighter planes is SO much better than the supposed Science Fiction-esque flying saucers and such. And being the first President to talk about and deliberate about how to handle Alien Life in the public eye... yeap, that would be horrid, 'cause that's definitely not a fame-marker (or alternatively, world leaders don't like to be famous!) I bow at the ability to discern that world leaders really are this intelligent!

Okay, I'm being sarcastic, and even a bit insulting. But quite frankly, all of this blather is a LOT more insulting to everyone involved, not to mention illogical to the extreme. Also,

See, I'd say the same thing! The only difference is, it seems you're serious. I'd be saying it in a much more sarcastic tone of voice

Also, I'd say this: "MAINSTREAM media does NOT want to be famous or get good ratings! The MAINSTREAM media does NOT want to be the first to comment and debate on alien life that's found!". Once more, sarcastically

(On a side note, however, I do agree personally that media coverage of Iraq could be MUCH better than it is)

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Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -- Isaac Asimov

Reality check: There is no evidence for "starships". There's no rumor in the rather incestuous and overlapped aerospace industry about such technology. There's no credible account of handling or testing of such super-advanced technology. There is not some vast gubmint conspiracy to hush up the existence of flying saucers - so airtight that no one has ever given credible evidence over the decades but the "Disclosure" guys can rant at will about it. The reason no one is being prosecuted for talking about UFOs in gubmint hands is because there are no UFOs in gubmint hands.

Reality check: Spaceflight is expensive and difficult (but will get somewhat easier and cheaper). Spaceflight is not like "Battlestar Galactica".

Reality check: There is no starship to hijack. If we want a starship, we have to build it ourselves.

The whole thing smacks of the "Egyptians were too dumb to build pyramids" idiocy. I'll just add:

"- People apparently under 20 with no real-world experience will continue to think they know it all."

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BTW, PW, you could add to your list of U.S. space firsts:
- 1st use of radioisotope generators in space (SNAP-3A on Transit 4B)
- 1st space reactor (SNAP-10A, 1965)
- 1st landing on an asteroid (NEAR)* (not designed for landing, but returned science data after it did)
- 1st probe into Jupiter's atmosphere (Galileo probe)
- 1st landing on a moon of another planet (Huygens)
- 1st autonomously guided spacecraft (Deep Space 1)
- 1st rover on Mars (Sojourner)
- 1st lunar orbit rendezvous (Apollo)
- 1st repair of a satellite in space (Challenger crew, 1984)
- 1st untethered spacewalk (Challenger crew, 1984)
- 1st sample return from a Comet (Genesis)

Hey, I was once under 20! In fact, I'm just under 21 now. And I STILL think that I know all.

Mwahahaha.

...okay, so seriously, I don't. But I still like to feel like I'm knowledgable.

On a side note: Untethered spacewalk? How exactly did they go about that?

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Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -- Isaac Asimov

Eh, don't worry. That feeling will go away. Trust me on this one.

But--but I'm CONVINCED! All it TOOK was a LOT of CAPITAL LETTERS!

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