One of the first ones in that link is the one that was reported near me (in the UK). Paper lanterns apparently. Not ET going out for some cow and chips. And the papers and net exaggerated the story.

Sorry guys, I just don't belive you. Don't want to talk to you any more either.

Then stop posting here.

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So, you've used four threads, dozens of pages, and ~440 posts, just to say "La! La! La! La! I can't heeaarrr youuu!"

Rather verbose, aren't you?

I don't suppose that could be because we aren't telling you what you wanted to hear...

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The DNA test performed on that hair was only capable of detecting mDNA, which only comes from the mother's genetic makeup. This means that the person from whom that hair came from had a maternal ancestor who was probably Chinese. That may have been her grandmother, or great grandmother, or further back. As I said earlier, all, or most of that person's other ancestors may have been European, which explains the blond colouration.

All the speculation on that page about the unusual nature of a 'blond chinese' person is entirely baseless. Blond people with Chinese great-great grandmothers are not particularly unusual in today's world.

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If this is yet another of your flounces, there ought to be a limit on the number of times you can do that.

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Whose credibility is zip? Hmm. Let us ponder this.

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We have photographed these scratches on many occasions if you care for me to post them? I think that the scratches are more to do with 'spirits' than aliens. It has been well documented that spirits can sometimes scratch people with high spiritual perception.

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The many anonymous letters that were sent to Bud Hopkins who investigated the case.

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There are several of us who do believe in UFOs and who have had occasion to see a UFO on the ground, or from an airplane. There was only one occasion from space which may have been a UFO."

Gordon Cooper, Astronaut (Mercury-Atlas 9, May 15, 1963; Gemini 5, August 21, 1965), Col. USAF (Ret); letter to Granada's Ambassador Griffith at the United Nations, November 9, 1978

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

As a UFO researcher of many years, I can tell you right now of many problems with 'evidence' from alien abduction cases.

Dr. Roger Leir is probably the World's best known alien artifact surgeon. But what many people do not know is that he is a podiatry doctor (a doctor for feet) and not your normal run of the mill surgeon. There is almost no documentation that he has released detailing the findings of the surgery or the lab results of what the objects are.

His most famous case is the 'claw' that was found snagged in a mat that belonged to a family in California who claimed that they were being visited by Aliens. Dr. Leir has travelled and lectured all over the World in support of the claw being of Alien origin.

It turns out that the 'claw' was in fact a dried mollusc - probably a snail.

The second example is Derrel Sims, who inspired Dr. Leir into the World of alien implants after Leir watched Sims at a UFO conference.

I was doing an article on alien implants, as a matter of fact, around 5-6 years ago for my website, and it was while I was doing research that I received an Email from one of the people who had an alien implant removed from his body. Derrel Sims had the object in his possession and according to the guy who contacted me - he wouldn't give it back?

So, we really have to take these 'alien implants' with a pinch of salt because in most cases, these people parading around the evidence are doing so just to make money rather than make an Earth shattering find.

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

Really? This isn't the forum section for it, but I would be interested in evidence gathered under controlled conditions that determined that scratches were made by "spirits," and ruled out conventional explanations.

By the way, I have an apparent scratch on my back right now. I think that I got it when I was looking in a tight space and had a fairly sharp edge pressed into my clothing protected back. That didn't obviously break the skin, but a few days later, I noticed a thin, lightly scabbed, and sore red line on my back. Apparently it had done enough damage to have a delayed effect.

I regularly get scratches working in my yard. They often aren't noticeable until a day after I had been working out there. Sometimes I can remember what had caused them, but often not. I seem to scratch easier than I used to (probably medicine related), and I have little pigment in my skin, so even light scratches show up as obviously red marks.

In short, it's not hard for some people to show scratches.

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The many anonymous letters that were sent to Bud Hopkins who investigated the case.

And did anyone but Bud Hopkins see these letters?

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I think that the scratches are more to do with 'spirits' than aliens. It has been well documented that spirits can sometimes scratch people with high spiritual perception.

Along with others, as mentioned here, I have perfectly normal scratches go unnoticed. Mine are usually after grafting in the garage on some project or another. Usually come to light when the cleanser with the little plastic beads in get in the wound... OUCH....

So for me there would have to be some pretty compelling evidence for spooks going around inflicting paper cuts.

But these are not small scratches. Some of them can be a foot long or sometimes there are many scratches going all different ways. If, as has been the case with some of your examples, he had scratched himself, lets say by climbing into a tight space - wouldn't those scratches pretty much be travelling in the same direction?

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As i mentioned in an earlier post I got small scratches on my face from sleeping on a pillow that had a thin casing letting the quills of the feathers inside poke through. I put a better cotton cover on and the problem was solved but I woke up with mysterious 'scratches' on my face.

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As a fellow UFO believer and the owner of Europe's most popular UFO website, I agree that there are objects in our skies that defy a rational explanation. However, there are plenty of other objects that are claimed to be UFOs and investigated and paraded around the Globe by supposed 'UFO researchers' that are nothing more than balloons, kites, lanterns or misidentified man-made aircraft.

I can give you many examples, and some of which I have seen at UFO conferences that basically, I have sat back and smiled at because of the gullibility of the researcher who is putting forward the notion.

Here is but one example. A few years ago, myself and my fellow researchers from Cosmic Conspiracies were at UFO Magazines conference in Leeds. Although that magazine is now out of print, they always had a fantastic conference with some of the best speakers. Every year however, their resident 'photo specialist' Russ Callaghan, would show the audience a collection of UFO phenomenon that had cropped up on video from that past year.

One particular video featured security camera footage sent into the magazine from a reader. The camera was placed above a garage and filmed the driveway of the property. So here we are watching this video and Russ says 'now take note at the object that is about to appear in the top right of the picture....' All of a sudden a blurry object appears as he described, at which point I start to think to myself 'Is he serious?. I am pretty sure I know what that is.'

A couple of seconds pass and all of a sudden, this fuzzy object shoots down the screen, wobbles and disappears out of shot. Russ all of a sudden exclaims 'So what is it? It certainly isn't a spider!'... Well actually Russ, it was a spider, and I fathomed that out in 5 seconds flat.

Also recently there have been many readers writing into The Sun newspaper in the UK with UFO sightings. The Sun, for anyone who doesn't know is a tabloid paper who's style of reporting is for sensationalism only. Its claim to fame is having a different 'Page 3 Girl' everyday who flashes her boobs.

Anyway, and Bart 5050, you can do this too. Go along to The Sun's website and see how many supposed UFOs can be easily explained. It didn't take long for me to realise that some were Chinese Lanterns, one was an out of focus seagull and others were just a light in the sky that were so non-descript that they could be absolutely anything. No structured craft, just blurry video of what is more than likely an airplane.

Now lets move onto Bart 5050's evidence of an alien hair sample. From the report you posted, I as a UFO investigator, would be very suspect of any organization calling themselves the 'Anomaly Physical Evidence Group.' This sounds to me like an organization set up by psuedo scientists who are already interested in the phenomenon.

It it were me, I would take the samples to a proper lab who have no interest in the subject so that I could get a balanced and honest opinion of the object. Also, it says in that report that the DNA matched at least 4 other peoples DNA , even if they did have dark hair. If there is evidence that a species on Earth possesses the DNA, it doesn't matter how many examples can be found, it proves one thing... that the origin is terrestrial.

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Depends. Tight spaces mean wiggling around. The builders of a previous house saw fit to make the attic (loft) opening too small. The catch for the ladder required nimble shifting of the torso to avoid scratches. OK I should have fitted a different system for the door but the up shot was a scratched back if I was not careful. It was not always straight but in on piece.

Like I said, I would required some substantial proof that spooks get around doing this. Well, the existence of them to start with. I have over 40 years experience of not seeing one. Well, apart from the dribbling years that I do not remember. And before the usual "have never seen so and so so how do you know it exists etc etc" is dragged up, the existence of many things I have not seen can easily be verified. Spirits? Well, back to the evidence. Which is?

Sorry, I made a spelling mistake in my earlier post. It should have said 'These were 'not' small scratches.' I have amended the post now.

I agree that you can get scratches from pillows. I have had them myself. But these scratches are always on his body, usually back or stomach to upper chest. Sometimes these can be very long scratches that sting.

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

The subject of ghosts is a hard one, especially if you have never seen the phenomenon. I have experienced paranormal activity since around the age of 7-8. My brother sees ghosts on a very regular basis. Although I have not seen what I would call a proper full figured and clear ghost, I have been in situations where my brother has seen a figure and I have been able to verify that something was there.

A good example happened around a year ago. I work with my brother and we do contract work which sees us work in many different situations, from hospitals to dentists, to care homes to private residencies. Anyway, we were at a particular job at a care home and all of a sudden my brother said 'There's an old lady stood at the bottom of those stairs in a flowery dress.' I looked across and could see nothing, but then he said, 'OK go over to the spot and see if you can feel anything.' As soon as I arrived at the foot of the stairs I could feel that the temperature was very cold, and within 15 seconds this very strong perfume smell started to fill the room. It was as strong as if you had dropped the bottle of perfume on the carpet in front of me.'

I can also give you an example where a couple of skeptics from the local University turned up at his spiritual circle one evening. The head medium told the 2 skeptics to sit in the middle of the circle so that the mediums sat around them could possibly give them a reading. When it came to my brothers turn, he could see an old woman stood by the side of one of the gentleman. He described her as being very short - probably around 5 foot tall. The guy said that it was probably his grandmother. However, the best evidence from that night was when my brother said that he was getting the name 'Campbell.' It just so happened that Campbell was the guys surname!

Perhaps if you want to discuss this further, we could start a new topic as I know that this does not come under the 'alien abduction' banner.

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

Sorry but no sell either way. Much like UFO (unidentified not little green men) I think there is too much anecdotal and I am fairly certain attention seekers and self convinced and across the board not understanding things. I would include my self in the last bit but confident.

"owner of Europe's post popular UFO website". You forgot to add the link and where oh where are those wonderful Google ads. Anything else you want to tack on there Dave?? Sorry we could not provide you more ad space--Joe "nice" Boy

Does he have a cat?

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Yeah, uh, post it in the same place as the Astrology thread...

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Nope

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Gordon Cooper, Astronaut (Mercury-Atlas 9, May 15, 1963; Gemini 5, August 21, 1965), Col. USAF (Ret); letter to Granada's Ambassador Griffith at the United Nations, November 9, 1978

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

Hey Joe!

Cosmic Dave is playing nice. I didn't see that a dig for his site. He was just explaining himself.


In the mean time, have a cold one, dodge a bottle rocket and for God's sake mellow! (Happy long 4th of July week-end )

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How about fingernails? My best friend scratches herself in her sleep all the time. If she weren't aware of that, she would be convinced she was covered in "mystery" scratches.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Again, this is your seemingly insurmountable problem with alien abduction theory; you insist on believing science can prove a belief.

The scientific method is all about what we think we can know when we're not at all certain it will lead to an explanation of anything. The whole idea of what science can and cannot understand is still in the process of being discovered. The one thing science does better than any belief system is allow for changes in our basis for understanding what we think we understand. Speaking as one arguing against you, you're not only asking me to forget everything that got all of us to where we are now, but how we all got here.

Don't want to talk to you any more either.

Hope you'll still lurk; way too much free knowledge & ideas about how and what to think of ideas here...

Your credability is zip.

Mine? Deservebly so. Yours? Welcome to the club.

Something very strange is going on in our skies. Don't know what it all about, but denial is just BS.

"It's probably this..." is not denial. "It's aliens!" quite simply short circuits the scientific method into a belief.

That's denial.

You have a shorter memory than me Don--I'm not so quick to forgive and forget--once a scammer, always a scammer--I will leave it as it is though--I have said more than enough--the sad part of this is, that I am more in line with his way of thinking than most on the forum--it was the presentation from the beginning that made me ill--how will this subject ever be taken seriously when self serving woos are bobbing in and out, changing from one day to the next to maintain an audience. It's no wonder you cannot beleive those who are sincere with all the hogwash mixed in--bye--j

The case histories in stopabductions.com are authentic. I am in touch with most of the persons in the case history section and except for one investigator who contacted me first, nobody has ever contacted any person who I sent a thought screen helmet to, so there can be no question of credability. The statement is not true. All of the information on stopabductions.com and aliensandchildren.org is authentic. Some of the abductees with helmets want to talk to people and they can be contacted to ascertain their credibility.

We are also learning more about alien transmission with the development of grounds for the thought screen helmet. The use of double grounds implies a specific type of signal. I may be working with engineers at Boeing as well as a technicain with several thought screen helmets.

The thought screen helmet is derived from the novels of E.E. Doc Smith, which is quoted on stopabductions.com. Also, velostat has impedance and unique conductive properties which gives it different electrical properties than metals. There are links to microwave energy and impedance on the links section of stopabductions.com.

I still make helmets and send them to abductees to try, so we may get some real evidence soon.

The next time you make a statement that implies I am not creditable, you better back it up with facts, because you've never contacted me, any abductee I sent a hat to nor any investigator I have worked with.

Don't make up what you think are facts, it is not science.

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I have to wonder when the Woo Woo's will ever understand the old saying "Quality over Quantity"

It matters very little HOW many anonymous letters one researcher has recieved or if there are 500 or more reports on a subject that possess little if no concrete evidence to date to show any solid proof on a subject such as Alien Abductions/Ufo's or spirits.

Quality and substantial evidence, even if it is just one piece is far better then millions of unverifiable reports.

It's just common sense. Sorry for the semi rant but it seems whenever I hear the basis for such an argument, I seem to hear the same things over and over, just how much reporting and sightings but nothing hardcore.

In my opinion anyways.

Vons.

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