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Micheal Menkin


where is the proof that these people were abducted..why is it cause they say so ? it sounds very skeptical.. i mean how exactly do u test these people when their is no physical evidence...it's all testamonial... about the abductions there must be something to test otherwise it's just wishful thinking.....for there to be a conclusion at the very least there should be some kind of provable theories or something other than word of mouth

...nobody has ever contacted any person who I sent a thought screen helmet to, so there can be no question of credability.

No one who has bought my cranial interociter has ever been dimensionally translated by Nargles either. Therefore there can be no question of creditability, even if my device sometimes resembles moose antlers to the unitiated.

We are also learning more about alien transmission with the development of grounds for the thought screen helmet. The use of double grounds implies a specific type of signal.

Describe this "specific type of signal" in depth, please.

I may be working with engineers at Boeing...

I know several engineers at Boeing. Tell me who you're working with, so that we can share notes.

Also, velostat has impedance and unique conductive properties which gives it different electrical properties than metals.

I'm an engineer. Velostat is simply a static-discharging conductive material used to make packaging for electrical components. Explain these "impedance and unique conductive properties" in depth, please, and how they relate to alien transmissions using proper electrical engineering concepts. Many of us here have professional technical and engineering backgrounds; the rest appreciate or can at least follow a technical discussion.

We are very unsusceptible to being blustered by hogwash. You have a few handwaving references to microwaves and electrical impedance on your web site, but no description of the theory or principles of operation behind your invention.

...so we may get some real evidence soon.

What has all your engineering been based on up until now, if not "real evidence?"

The next time you make a statement that implies I am not creditable, you better back it up with facts...

You're the claimant. It's your job to back up your claims with facts.

Don't make up what you think are facts, it is not science.

Whereas copying plot devices from novels is?

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good goin jayUtah your a pitbull as a lawyer ..maybe u should get a law degree lol...just good teasing. but your objections are clear and precise

i like it ..thats good work


to MR menkin i also wanted to know about these transmissions how exactly do u determine what they are where do these ideaologies come from with out any facts other than say so effects

That seems an expensive Foil Hat. This one
is a lot cheaper and the sight has theory and Testimonials.

It also points out that you should make your own hat, don't trust one made by anyone else, u don't know what's been done to it!

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good goin jayUtah your a pitbull as a lawyer ..maybe u should get a law degree lol...just good teasing.

The rigorous testing of ideas is not limited only to the law. You want your mother to drive a car whose design has withstood tests of its validity that were applied with similar clarity and precision. The principal difference between what I do and what a lawyer does is that the lawyer fights for the interest of his client, whatever that may be, according to legislated laws; whereas I look for the truth whatever it may be according to physical laws.

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the last sentence in your last post is what i meant about the lawyer thing ..the fight as it pertains to physical law.....ok physical law lawyer then

good going non the less
i appreciate the quest for the truth no matter how hard the answers might be i think it's the only way to be sure of what we are saying and thinking

for there to be a conclusion at the very least there should be some kind of provable theories or something other than word of mouth

The following testable claims may be distilled from Mr. Menkin's web site.

• Aliens exist and have discernible, testable properties that include exploitable limitations.
• Human cognition is affected by electromagnetic radiation (which, it should be noted, is different from an electrical or magnetic field), apparently in the microwave band.
• Aliens affect human cognition
• Aliens abduct humans.
• Aliens abduct humans only insofar as the aliens are able to control the thoughts of their intended subjects by means of electromagnetic radiation (presumably microwaves).
• Velostat (a trademark of 3M) is effective at attenuating electromagnetic radiation in the micrwave band.
• Electrical impedance is an appropriate measure of a material's ability to attenuate electromagnetic radiation.
• Covering one's cranium with 12 or so thicknesses of Velostat in its commercially-available form prevents alien abduction by means of attenuating electromagnetic radiation that (as argued) would otherwise establish control over the subject's cognitive process.

When Mr. Menkin is willing and able to provide evidence for these claims, then he can enjoy the respect he believes he deserves. He may not simply show up and demand that he is credible.

Mr. Menkin is adamant that he receives no financial benefit from his hat-making. I have found no evidence whatsoever that he does. However, the absence of financial motive does not mean one's motives are necessarily straightforward or pure. Further, I find that compelling or advising others to part with their hard-earned cash, whatever the intended recipient, on the basis of specious or ill-argued claims is dishonorable and should be disputed. Snake oil is snake oil, whatver the flow of money may be. An idea that makes a promise should keep that promise, and if Mr. Menken believes his ideas are valid enough to defend them here then he should continue his defense based on the facts and not on his indignance and further inflated claims.

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That's very nice and interesting, but what makes you think that your helmet's success is real?
I mean, if you are facing aliens with telepathic powers, what makes you so sure that the helmet, the experiments, the abductees and everything are real instead of an elaborate ruse cooked up by the aliens and planted in your mind?

I love the testimonial on his site from the guy who made himself a helmet and can now be happy that his "thoughts are [his] own again." Why can't an entity who has mind-control capability implant the false thought that all is well? The testificator's sense of well-being is invariably attributed to the helmet, but in conjunction with the "Telepathic Warfare" section of the inventor's site, it's just circular reasoning.

On the one hand, the inventor simply hooks the helmet up to a basic electrical meter to measure the electrical impedance (although it looks like he's only measuring resistance; can't tell the meter settings in the photo). This is supposed to be all the proof you need that the helmet will protect you from alien mind control, and the basis of the "no question of its creditability" claim.

Then on the other hand the inventor advertises for qualified engineers and scientsts to come validate and test his design. And he tells us that he'll have actual data Real Soon Now.

And nowhere in this mess of claims is an answer for why an entire aspect of the brain (that visible from a position anterior and inferior to the cranium) remains unprotected by the helmet. Putting eight locks on the front door but leaving the back door swinging wide open doesn't constitute proof of the effectiveness of home protection. It constitutes more likely proof of the lack of a challenge to the house.

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I would give anything to see you with one of those helmets on Jay. It would bring this non-sense to full circle and exemplify the absurdity of the entire subject. Man, it's getting harder and harder to be half a woo--j

Hey! you cant deny that austrian girl is not cute!

Of course these mind-hats are out of question, is hard to believe (even if the aliens do exist) how he got that "knowledge" to make anti-mind control hats...but then again, that crazy girl is cute =P

Discussing these "artifacts" is a dead end way, not worth to any debate, so guys, dont turn the "anti-mind-hat" in to a 30 pages disscusion, plz

I would give anything to see you with one of those helmets on Jay.

All of a sudden the white powdered wig isn't enough?

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Discussing these "artifacts" is a dead end way, not worth to any debate...

I would agree, had the inventor not showed up in person to defend himself and tell us that we're being unscientific about his claims. Austrians can only hold my attention for so long. But someone who claims he can make alien-repellant hats, and who shows up to request credibility for his endeavors: well, that's what BAUT is all about.

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I think the ineffectiveness of these hats is amply demonstrated by the fact that the universally recognised leading alien investigator (Ripley) eschewed to use one while defending herself in her particular adventures. Had I seen her running around the Nostromo wearing one, you can bet that I would have bought three!

I may be working with the Dalai Lama on the same issue. Let's compare notes.

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That's funny, I think the ineffectiveness of these hats is amply demonstrated by the fact that their inventor invented them while not wearing one. Since his mind was unscreened at the time, how can we possibly trust any of its products?

Does he make one that attracts aliens?

What about the peeps who want to be abducted?

Nice catch! Impressive!

So, you're suggesting the aliens have infiltrated the mind of the inventor so that, unbeknowst to him, he has built a design flaw into the hats? So people think they are protected while in fact they are possibly even more susceptible.

Very cunning. Man, you can't rest for a second with these Greys on the case, huh?

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Got me a photo of one of those cats yet, Joey?

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the aliens will probably get a good laugh out of that hat ,,that's if they laugh at all,they will just be amused as if it's child play..showing they have a better 1....
maybe that's why we haven't detected them yet..in their world everyday is friday night.

seriously tho helmet protection is the least of their worries ..they probably more worried that candidate selection from earth could be a big waste of time,energy,and hat making ability

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it shows you how much i know....not much i guess----"sohhfly"

... looking ....

In fact, I can and do most adamantly deny that Austrian woman is not cute (i.e., I assert she IS cute). Be careful with your triple negatives, dude.

Is that hat site real or a wind up? I have to ask.

the site i linked to is def a spoof but just as credible.

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Well, its webmaster showed up to defend it (albeit in only one post) and told us how unscientific we were being to reject his proof of effectiveness, so I'd have to say it seems pretty real, or else a wind-up from someone who's really committed to it.

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Familiar with that one, pointed people that way before

Just that anti static hat site, well, maybe part of the wind up. Oh well, what do I know.

FWIW:

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

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Interesting stuff.

Interesting in the gain department. Compared with no helmet if I read it right. Wonder how it will do with a few miles of rain laden atmosphere at those frequencies. Otherwise the crinkles are acting as antennae. Wonder how a flat surface would fare? Guessing a lot better. Suppose taking into account the wavelengths and measuring the crinkles might throw some light. A directional transmitter might have better effects.... ohh it gets worse.

And transmitters go higher than 3 gigs.

I have now read many, many posts in this thread, and I have yet to find out how I can abduct an alien.

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And transmitters go higher than 3 gigs.

I work routinely with 12 GHz transmitters, receivers, and transponders.

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