Jay, I was looking forward to a longer response! This thread is fun to read, but really is addicting and time consuming. I have a class to go teach....(Calculus...a quiz and related rates)

Pete

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

Wow, this guy doesn't stop, does he? (This is just a foothold for me to edit later. Right now, I'm late for class, and want this up on my Subscribed Threads)

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Check out my writing, maybe.

If you know what you're talking about please answer this question and do not quote some outside site full of acronyms. This is a key to proving it never happened. Having a site full of people who think the same way and agree with each other is no way to learn anything.

I've only posted 34 messages in a thread containing 150 plus messages thus far and have already been threatened to be banned by an admin. Quite the creditable site you have here. Ha!

I wish I had his energy. But I can keep this up as long as he can. I'm off work.

This IS quite a site sir, and you are quite a poster. Proof of your mistaken concepts have been put in front of you and you have ignored it, while expecting us to take you seriously. You haven't said anything already said before and proven wrong a million times. It is not for us to convince you of your flawed attempts at thinking. Read BA's main site.

Don't do it for us sir.

Do it for yourself.

Most people on this board are notusually threatened to be banned after 30 posts. You seem to be an anomaly in that regard.

Also, if you're too busy to research, why do you have time to post for 3 hours or so?

Pete





Edit to fix the wrong button hit!

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

If this is key evidence to prove you're point, and you don't have it, then how do you even know you have a point? You said you could prove it, so prove it with the information you have.

I think this whole thread is pointless, but sounds like fun anyway. I wanted to through in my 2cents. I couldn't let all of you have all the fun.

You're too busy to do actual research, but you seem to have time to posture and bluff on this forum.

So you don't need to understand a subject to talk intelligently about it?

Since you don't need to be an expert or be educated, then please get on with your argument. What's the delay?

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You were warned, Moon Man. Goodbye.

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I'm not under 40 either. It's irrelevant how old I am. The record of Apollo stands on its own and is quite clear to those of us who aren't predisposed to conspiracy theories.

Which older people? Care to throw out some names?

It seems strange than none of these "older people" was ever able to get a reporter interested in the story of a lifetime.

When's the big unveiling of you're evidence?

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Why can't you find the answers yourself? All those answers are in the pages we have provided links to. For example the time from entry interface to splashdown. You have Ground Elapsed Times for both events in Apollo by the Numbers. Just substract the GET of splashdown from GET of entry interface.

Look, we're not under any obligation to educate you when it's quite clear that you are either too lazy or otherwise unmotivated to educate yourself.

You're the one who made the big boast that you were going to prove Apollo was a hoax. If you have evidence then present it.

LOL! This is too precious. We're not supposed to use sites that contain acronyms you are too lazy to learn. Sorry but spaceflight and particuarly NASA-speak are laden with acronyms. Learning those acronyms is part of the effort of understanding.

Making spurious claims with no evidence and not educating yourself is a surefire way to remain in ignorance.

The persecution complex didn't take long to set in.

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Banned already?

I'd have given him a day or two. Face it: This was a very popular thread, while it lasted. Although the barrage of questions was annoying, notice how many cool links were brought forward in response.
No, I doubt he had any good arguements to make (his questions amply demonstrated his ignorance), but he did say he'd make some over the next day or so. I would have given him at least that long. If by the end of that time, he still hadn't started making arguements, then it would have been him renegging on his statement. Then the boom could have been lowered.

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Darn it,I missed the fun.....


I was 10 when Apollo 11 landed.How do I know it happened? Because my father was Maintenance Supervisor for the tracking stations outside of Madrid,Spain.

my standard asnwer to the HBs is "If NASA paid everybody off,then where's my Dad's money?"

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Now that he is banned and can't post, he's probably not reading us anymore, so save your breath.

His kind never learns.

Jay, I was looking forward to a longer response!

You guys are doing just fine without me.

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If you know what you're talking about please answer this question and do not quote some outside site full of acronyms.

Acronyms are a fact of life. If you're not willing to learn the language of the topic you plan to discuss, then you don't get to say you're knowledgeable about it.

I'm not sure why you think we have a responsibility to waste time typing stuff into the computer that you can look up for yourself. I don't buy the excuse that you're "too busy" -- you've been firing away incessantly. I don't buy the excuse that the stuff "doesn't exist" -- other people can find it in minutes.

Having a site full of people who think the same way and agree with each other is no way to learn anything.

But on some topics -- namely those in which the facts are not in dispute and upon which all relevant experts agree -- it is inappropriate to disagree. You haven't considered the possibility that we believe the same way regarding Apollo not because we're mindless sheep, but because the question really is that one-sided.

I've only posted 34 messages in a thread containing 150 plus messages thus far and have already been threatened to be banned by an admin.

And you pointed out yourself that you're approaching this topic in the matter of a legal litigator. Lawyers argue in order to try to create a belief, not in order to try to find the truth. When all you've got is a bunch of legalistic tap-dancing, you're not going to last very long in a forum where facts and sound reason are expected to reign.

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Was Moon Man a HB that we've seen before on Apollohoax? I didn't see many similarities but I think "Great Lunar Lie" (in the OP) was a term by Rene.

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You know, that's exactly how I proved that the periodic table is just a big hoax. "Expert" after "Expert" kept linking to all these different sites with these weird abbreviations. If there really were elements, why wouldn't they just write "iron" instead of "Fe".



Well, that was fun while it lasted.

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Not really.

He may not have even been to Apollohoax. Probably just some punk kid. After he was banned, he went to his girl-6 site (for some vigourous circular motion with non-directional thrust,) logged off the computer and is now no doubt skateboarding his way to a compound fracture.

Well, I had the genius idea to search google for Apollo reentry.speed and I came up with this:
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/apololta.htm

Which says that it was 11.1 km/s. However, I imagine that link will be disregarded because...

I wonder if that means he wanted us to calculate the velocity ourselves?

I wish you hadn't banned this guy. I thought he was kind of funny. Good job debunking him though. I especially liked the analogy to the concord. I've never seen the blueprints for the concord. Can anyone tell me the exact amount of fuel it carried on take off? What was the wing loading at landing speed? And don't try to fool me by linking to a "web site" on the "internets." If you don't have this memorized then I don't believe you. The concord was fake. Why wont any of the pilots take a lie detector test?

Okay, due to popular demand, I've unbanned him (for now). But if this keeps up for a couple of days, he's history.

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I've said this before, but I find the efficiency of this group to tear apart HBers absolutely amazing. It's like watching a pack of wolves tear apart a sheep. And that performance was mostly without one of our Alpha-geeks, JayUtah. It almost isn't sporting.

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Welcome back Moon Man. Roger that. Go to ping. Roger that Houston.

So are you saying the caspsule was doing 11 km a second on re-entry..?

Now we need the exact descent time from re-entry to splashdown..?

What was the capsule speed when the chutes deployed..?

We're getting closer to exposing the impossible truth.

No, I asked the right question and got you to give the answer.

The astro-nots respond to questions from Houston immediately, at times, which proves this was a hoax.

He is a lawyer who is going to disprove science with legal style arguments.

I might suggest caution while dealing with him. His agenda might not be to prove a hoax but to try to silence the opposition. He may think he can provoke us to ban him and as long as he thinks he is abiding by the site rules he will try to get us shut down. I don’t think it has happened to anyone yet, but they only need one to set precedence. Treat him right “kill him with kindness” and he will tire and go away. Or maybe he will learn something and come over to the light, you never know.

He has shown he does not have the technical expertise he may have legal expertise. He has already asked leading questions to provoke a response. If he can get us to slander or defame him he may think he has a case.

Just a thought.

(How come the quick reply never works for me!)

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Your original question was about Houston answering to astronauts, not the other way around like you're saying now. And I would very much like to hear your evidence for astronauts' no-delay responses.

You where already directed to a link that gives the appropriate data and even had it explained to you how to extract the needed times from that data.

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Oh? You have evidence of no time delay when the astronauts were not in near earth orbit? Please provide it.

By the way, the term "astro-nots" is very insulting. If you want to ensure a hostile reaction around here, that's a great way to do it.

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Please don't hit us with the claim about how the parachutes would be ripped to apart because we've already heard it. When are you going to start giving us something original?

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Enough of the questions. You can do your own research. So tell us already. What is this "impossible truth"?

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