I've come across this. It looks phony to me, but do you have more information about it?

http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2005...companied.html

" Thirty-six years after the event, astronaut Buzz Aldrin the second man who stepped on Earth’s natural satellite confessed that he saw a UFO next to the Apollo 11 space ship.

Aldrin presented/displayed a video segment 3.5 minutes long while on approach to the moon on the Science television channel. In the tape a very strange object appears, and accompanies the Apollo ship.

Agencia IN / Science Channel – 15/10/05"

http://www.agenciain.com.ar/note.php?n=1604

It is an argentinian news agency... any clue?

A UFO only means unidentified. Doesn't mean it's an alien ship

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Hi Pete! Yeah, I think it is the old story of the S-IVB. (Was it the S-IVB?)
But I wonder if Aldrin really said that in october and if he "presented/displayed a video segment 3.5 minutes".
I mean, why now? I've searched in the Science Channel and found nothing about it. The news says: "his claims made a great impact in the scientific circle"
Come on! It seems like the Otto Binder-Chatelain UFO stuff, debunked long ago:
"A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium...
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible...
"

UFO stands for "Unidentified Flying Object". Could something really be considered a UFO in space, where there is no air to fly through? Flying is something done in an atmosphere.

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Funny thing about your eyeball, is that you can actually see cosmic radiation, after a fashion.

Not sure of the exact mechanism, but from what I recall your vitrious humour acts as a sort of cloud chamber and you see a bright point of light for each interaction.

This has been offered as an explaination for strange phenomena witnessed by the Apollo astronauts. Personally I'm inclined to consider that stress may have been a factor - nobody before these men had to go through what they went through, so we've no idea what kind of psychological effects there would be.

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Anyone know where we could get a look at the video that shows this object? Also, if there is indeed video of the UFO, then that tends to support something other than psychological problems. Frankly, I'm not convinced that Mr. Aldrin actually even made these claims...any corroboration of this anywhere else?

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Yes, I'm not taking anything for granted at this point. Assuming he did say something, I'd like to know exactly what he said. There are often "things" visible around a spacecraft - bits of junk and waste, for example. I could easily imagine an interview like this:

Interviewer: Sir, this bit in the video. What is it?

Aldrin: I'm not sure.

Interviewer: So you can't identify it?

Aldrin: No.

... turn into "Aldrin says he saw a UFO!"

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I found nothing, that is what makes me think it's a fabrication, but it is creating a snowball in many ufo sites. So a clarification will be appreciated.
The fact is that more or less 500.000 Spaniards saw yesterday on primetime TV something similar to the 2001 Fox TV "Conspiracy Theory" (I have to start a thread about it, I'm writing a rebuttal and need help...), and they mentioned all this about Aldrin (without showing any photo or video).

This is the only thing I found, apart from the cable news agency I posted earlier:

http://www.cohenufo.org/unsolved.html#aldrinapollo11

Aldrin's 2005 "First on the Moon" Documentary
Testimony regarding Apollo 11 UFO
(Hype for the documentary, or legit?)

9/26/05: NASA expert Jim Oberg may be interested in this as well. Verified as fact by "Buzz" Aldrin, an unsolved UFO seen by astronauts Neil Armstrong and "Buzz" Aldrin on their Apollo 11 flight to the moon.

Aldrin stated their booster rocket was 6000 miles away from them. They felt very certain that what they saw following their space craft was much closer than that. It was not part of the urine dump and they didn't really believe it was from their own spacecraft. Aldrin stated they did not talk about it directly over the air because of fear of ridicule* and because they thought it possible someone might call them back and stop the mission. Video or photos of a similar UFO taken on a succeeding mission were shown on the documentary several times. It was stated the UFO has not been solved to this day.

This information was acquired from the science channel. It was reported in the original debriefing. Their broadcast program "First on the Moon" contains the following liner note:

"With the help of the 'lost moon tape' and previously unreleased documents, scientists reveal how close Edward "Buzz" Aldrin and Neil Armstrong came to death during their Apollo 11 flight to the moon." (jc: The "death" part having nothing to do with UFOs)

The film contains short video clips from mission control, videos from the space craft itself and the trip in general, narrations by a number of people involved including Gene Kranz, Andrew Chaiken, Harold Loden, Dr. David Baker, quite a few by "Buzz" Aldrin himself, and film of President Nixon dealing with the dangers of the flight to the moon.

N.B. This is one more case not fitting Devereaux's and Persinger's theories.

* jc: once again refuting those skeptics who refuse to admit to the existence of a "ridicule factor."

More on this case can be presently found on UFO Updates in a note by Dave Stone to the mail list. Dave's letter contains more information than I included in my first post and a bit more accurate (including some direct quotes and dialog) and also mentions that the picture(s) shown was taken on a subsequent flight.

Excellent researcher Brad Sparks is presently disagreeing with me on this because he never found anything in a huge number of documents he looked through many years ago, so I will be extremely careful before I say this is 100% legit.

NB: NASA usually knows most pieces of hardware, etc. up there. The astronauts did not feel this was just some particles floating off the rocket. If the object film shown _was_ taken on a subsequent flight and the object is truly similar to what the astronauts say they saw, we need to find out how similar and on what flight the film was taken. This should definitely be clarified by the producer(s) of the documentary and requires further questioning. Updates will appear here as they become available.

Also this: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m28-027.shtml

(I found nothing on the Science Channel website...)

Alberto: Here's a brief debunking of the Fox programme. Scroll down to posts 10 and 11. Use that if it helps:
Fox Special rescreening in NZ -- 24 June 2003

Assuming he did say it, how about this as an explanation?

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That link dropped me into the middle of the Apollo 11 report, so no explanation there. Are you referring to Luna 15? If so, best I can recall, they didn't see any of that from Apollo 11.

More about Luna 15 here:
http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/in...ead=1128653606

Yes Luna 15 was what I was thinking of

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Tongue in cheek, folks:

Must have been the Chinese. Everyone knows that had spacecraft back then and had actually established a sizeable Lunar base. It's now abandoned (they've gone on to Mars).

What I can't figure out is why now, 43 years after their first Lunar landing, the Chinese are recommitting to a space program, and claiming they never landed there in the first place, especially since they say it'll be another decade before they can reattempt?

What are they hiding??? (pulls out hair with CT fury...)

In the Movie 'The Right Stuff' John Glenn reported something strange swirling around his Mercury craft. The movie made refrence of sparks coming from Aboriginal Australian Medicine man. Did that actualy happen?

Ice broke off the side of the ship and went past his viewing window.

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I think I caught this show a couple of weeks ago, while channel surfing. Here's a link to the Science Channel website:

http://science.discovery.com/tvlisti...=0&channel=SCI

The show seemed fairly accurate, based on what I've learned here (I'm looking at you, JayUtah, and thanks!) But it had a sort of breathless "seconds from disaster!" kind of angle to it. Almost every paragraph of narration ended with an ominous synthesizer sting.

There was a brief section where Buzz talked about some object they saw that seemed to be... he said either 16 or 64 miles away... I forget which. But closer than the booster was, according to mission control. This was followed by more ominous stings and Buzz with a wry smile. Never underestimate the power of editing.

There were also interview bits with Gene Krantz and the guy (I forgot his name) who spoke up and said they were still go with the 1202 alarm.

For people who read this board on a regular basis, I'd say the show was beginner to advanced beginner level.

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Yes, I found it some days ago. They are reairing it in december, that was why I didn't find anything when I first searched. It is the story of the S-IVB or chunks from the booster... I wrote to Jim Oberg, and he said to me that the conjectures some people made about how far the objects would be were based in very uncertain estimates about the velocity of separation from the booster.
Here is the astronauts' quote about it from Robert Godwin's 'Apollo 11 The NASA Mission Reports':
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/.../m13-008.shtml

And some pics from the program I found today:
http://usuarios.lycos.es/ttd/aldrin1.JPG
http://usuarios.lycos.es/ttd/aldrin2.JPG
http://usuarios.lycos.es/ttd/aldrin3.JPG

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Glenn's "fireflies" were in fact tiny ice crystals created by the evaporators on the spacecraft, which were used as part of the cooling system for the flight avionics. The mystery was solved by Scott Carpenter, who accidentally bumped the inside of the craft and dislodged a shower of them from the rear end where the evaporators were located.

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I thought everyone knew the Russians own the moon....which is why the Americans were so harassed trying to get there....and then never went back. The Russians have a healthy interest in Phobos too... that wierd potatoe like moon. I have never seen any flag waving from the Russians about Mars.

It was this site which alerted me to Lunakhod ... Russian rovers on the moon.
The USSR have been way ahead of America since Kennedy days.

Harassed???

HUH?? These 2 sentences' don't make a "lick" of sense.

Alerted?? I'm glad this site could be so "helpful" in "alerting" you to such a closely guarded secret.

...and this is just flat out wrong!

Fact is, Eric, that there is nothing in your post that has anything to do with what is being discussed here. There is no need to hijack this thread. If you want to discuss the Russian space program then start a new thread about it.

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My apologies. I was being light hearted about the Russians.

Sputnik did add haste to the American space race, in my humble opinion.

Well yes and no. The US were already planning their first satellite launch, TV-3 onboard Vangaurd 1. What it did do however was bring von Braun's ABMA team back into the game so they could be a backup to Vangaurd, and then after their threatened resigntins, that they could launch their own satellites, which of course was Explorer 1. ABMA didn't act with any greater haste than normal though, they had already set up everything so that they could launch in 4 months and they were preparing 1 month before they were formally given permission, so it wasn't really a surprise that they were able to launch 3 months after that.

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Meanwhile, back on the ranch...

I have Volume 2 of "Apollo 11: The NASA Mission Reports".

In it, Aldrin, Armstrong and Collins discussed seeing an object, but were unsure as to what it was.

I would not be surprised if it was indeed the S-IVB, as our common sense judgment of distance probably fails us in space. I know it fails us on the moon.

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When our astronauts see any UFO in outerspace it deserves honest discussion. That's what bugs me about all of these claims - they are with very little and in some cases NO evidence.

Even if there is evidence, it's in NASA's best interest to dismiss or debunk it as something mundane because it would be rather difficult to leave it unsolved.

So, DOES ANYONE HAVE A PICTURE OF THIS ALDREN UFO?

Here's one from Apollo 16 that we have discussed previously.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/space/tra...ce/no_ufo.html

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Yeah I remember that one and fully accepted it. I was glad they solved it and wish all these other rumors could be COMPLETELY solved and put to rest.

There are so many rumors of "astronauts seeing craft and filiming it" and then having that film conviscated and threatened to have their retirement money denied to them if they told anyone about it. Too many rumors and not enough facts riddle the UFO sites.