Fake moon landing linked to Columbia Disaster (Long).

Graham2001 · #1 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 01:04 AM

A poster to the Alt.Conspiracy forum, calling himself "Anti Gravity Al" submitted a document claiming that the US govt shot down Columbia using the High Altitude Auoral Research Project (HAARP), I am quoting it in full here, because he cites an earlier post on the lunar conspiracy to support his claims.

The document below is as it appeared on alt.conspiracy, email addresses are removed to protect the deranged, web links are intact.

Quote:

GW Bush wants all money available for his New World Order, which
includes his old pal Putin in Russia. He just hacked to pieces
MEDICARE, enabling states to eliminate tens of millions of disabled,
aged, and impoverished members and recipients of MEDICARE. Now he
wants NASA monies.

Man has never been more than 300 miles above the final layer of our
atmosphere, the ionosphere, or his head would explode and his blood
would boil, without being injected with substitute blood, hydrazine
solution. Maybe a few astronauts have done this to their bodies and
souls and are sworn to secrecy in a kind of occult cabal. If they
ever "leak" the truth, they are dead astronauts.

The Columbia Shuttle was shot by an invisible ELF wave out of a secret
military installation in Alaska called HAARP. The range of this
tactical weapon starts at 35 miles high. The Shuttle went out of
commission and contact at 39 miles high.

Also, there were ants, bloodworms, silkworms, rats, and spiders,
onboard this mission, to test the effects on silk, spiderweb silk, and
the formic acid constitution of ants, and also the holy "manna" of the
Bible, which is actually a secretion from the anuses of ants.

One of the shuttle astronauts would have revealed the truth of our
space program secrecy, and some of the inner dark secrets of the
occult control of our NASA.

So ... NASA will fold on this program, Bush will get the monies for
other military purposes and for world domination, the secrets will
never be let out about the spaceants and silkworms, and the inner
weapons sanctum of HAARP have now successfully tested their ELF
weapon.

QED
HAARP and our Ionosphere [ELF waves]

The ionosphere is a layer of the atmosphere that begins about 35 miles
above the earth's surface all the way out beyond 500 miles. This layer
remains ionized by radiation mostly from the sun. These layers of
charged particles are then warped into torus shaped fields by the
earths natural magnetic influence and the solar wind.
Far above the biosphere and the ozone layer we have the ionosphere,
where, fuelled [sic] by the sun, atoms and molecules are constantly
being split into electrons and ions, which give the ionosphere its
properties and its name. Since the pressure is extremely low (the
entire ionosphere weighs less than one tonne!), the electrons and ions
are allowed to exist for quite some time before they recombine. A gas
which contains separated charged particles is called a plasma and
plasma can be considered a fourth state of matter. This fourth state
is utterly rare on the surface of the earth. Only where the thunder
strikes the enormous discharge creates as plasma lasting for a
fraction of a second, and it was not until the 20th century that man
was able to create a laboratory plasma. 2

Project 1010, the HAARP program is getting between $10 and $30 million
dollars annual funding which seems like a healthy amount but higher
the costs of business in an environment like Alaska should be
considered. Still this program has been going on for about ten years
and shows no sign of being terminated so it must either have some
powerful backers or be yielding some useful research, the question is
what is HAARP really doing up there in Alaska? Many people claim to
know and those claims often involve sinister worldwide hazards like
mind control, destruction of the atmosphere and even weather
manipulation. Here's a rundown of some of the alleged powers of HAARP.

Nikola Tesla invented HAARP super technology now being exploited by
the military industrial complex.
Tesla was a very eccentric but long dead radio electronic genius but
he was as much hot air as solid fact and what any of it has to do with
HAARP is not always clear except as a useful ploy to garner viewer
ship or palm off static electricity generators to gullible customers
as "revolutionary new power sources".

HAARP is punching holes in the ionosphere creating permanent damage to
a protective layer of the earth.
That's dubious because short-wave (HF) radio broadcasters have been
bouncing megawatts of power off the ionosphere for decades without ill
effect. The very nature of HF frequencies means that they dissipate
rapidly even at high powers which reduces the area with which the beam
can be focused onto any given region of the atmosphere. Punching holes
doesn't even make sense because of the very nature of the ionosphere;
how can you punch a hole in a fluid (plasma)?

HAARP is the latest "star-wars" antimissile system.
If this thing could really stop missiles by damaging their electronics
don't you think the government would be pumping their billions of
dollars into HAARP instead of into missiles and lasers that have yet
to even come close to successful?

================================================== ==================

http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj1203.html

"eyes only" wrote in message news:
> To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space
> Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon.
> Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound
> stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada
> Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios
> within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.
>
> Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the
> hoax without being ultimately discovered. And of course they ran out of
> pre-filmed episodes.
> No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the
> Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon
> in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon
> it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.
>
> Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object
> to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in
> the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is
> "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space.
> Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the
> object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other
> molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is
> sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that
> there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect
> insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all
> sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.
>
> http://www.mt.net/~watcher/masonapollo.html
>
> http://www.williamcooper.com/majestyt.htm

This thing has started to mutate as other kooks use it as a base for their own delusions. The item at the end of this link was posted to sci.shuttle:

http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/vi...3735&forum=3&2

[ This Message was edited by: Graham2001 on 2003-02-04 08:15 ]

g99 · #2 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 01:37 AM

Oy my head hurst from reading that!

This guy is so dense and lacks so much scientific knowledge he makes people like sibrel look like a science fair winner.

Has this guy ever realized that the shuttle is presurized? Or that there is no way a ground based electronic system could of tracked the shuttle for long enougth to hit it with a beam that could of done damage? IT was traveling at mach 18 and would be in the range of a gound based sysytem for only a few seconds at the most. Even then it would prorobly take several seconds for the weapon to effect they systems enougth to hurt the craft. And then if it was some sort of electromagnetic wave gun all it would do is short out the computers (which are shielded against that sort of stuff, i think...Are they?). The pilot then could take over and use the controlls him/herself to controll the shuttle.

Finally, why? Doing that would not shut down NASA. There are much better and cheaper ways of getitng money for the govt.

Kizarvexis · #3 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 01:46 AM

This is hilarious and so full of bunk I wouldn't even know where to start. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

I first heard of HAARP on a special where they brought a few cranks on for display. The program kinda made fun of the mind control cranks, but did have a few people on who were worried about HAARP damaging the ionosphere by heating it up a few degrees. I listened to see if their idea had any merit, until it was mentioned by the HAARP people that the sun heats up the ionosphere a few tens of degrees every day and then it cools down at night again. So much for the evil super weapon HAARP that will be used by the black helicopter people to rule the earth. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Kizarvexis
BTW, have you ever noticied that a regular army green vechicle looks black in the shade from a distance. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Graham2001 · #4 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 02:35 AM

One of the reasons I posted that is it's just so hilarious, especially the bit about needing a blood/hydrazine solution to survive in space.

Aside from the fact that hydrazine is poison, spacecraft are pressurised.

Graham

Dickenmeyer · #5 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 02:47 AM

I'm with g99 on this one, Holy Cow Graham you need to give us fair warning to pop some Excedrin Migraine before taking a look at something like that! I am amazed at how quickly these conspiracy cockroaches have come scurrying out of the baseboards on this thing. I just shows the extreme ignorance and total lack of respect and class people like that have. It's funny too, how these wingnuts pick up every new bit of jargon (ELF? I presume they mean the wierd atmospheric phenomenon and not extremely low frequency radio waves?) and incorporate them into their little fantasy worlds. And if the government would shoot down an extremely expensive piece of (government owned) hardware to shut up some (expensively trained) government employees to suck up a couple of billion more dollars, then why haven't CIA goons busted down this guys door and "disappeared" him to keep him from blowing their cover? Ridiculous beyond belief...

jrkeller · #6 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 02:51 AM

I think the Columbia went over 300 miles to fix the Hubble.

I a got think this is a G rated BB, I can think of all kinds of naughty words to use for this one.

All I can say is he or she needs a lot of help.

Kizarvexis · #7 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 03:02 AM

Quote:

On 2003-02-02 21:47, Dickenmeyer wrote:
It's funny too, how these wingnuts pick up every new bit of jargon (ELF? I presume they mean the wierd atmospheric phenomenon and not extremely low frequency radio waves?) and incorporate them into their little fantasy worlds.

Nope, I think he means extremely low frequency radio waves. Isn't there a really big ELF antenna in Michigan that the Navy uses to signal submarines. I've heard it linked to HAARP by the cranks. Evidently, according to them, the Navy antenna was the prototype or something.

Kizarvexis

Oops, forgot to add the HAARP link.

[ This Message was edited by: Kizarvexis on 2003-02-02 22:03 ]

Dickenmeyer · #8 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 03:15 AM

We have a Coast Guard (!) monitoring station here in Indiana (Hell-and-Gone from any water of any significance) that's part of that network. I just couldn't conceive of any way that it could be worked into a high-energy weapons system. Might as well try to microwave your TV dinner with a Sony Walkman. Weird...

Graham2001 · #9 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 04:26 AM

Quote:

On 2003-02-02 21:47, Dickenmeyer wrote:
I'm with g99 on this one, Holy Cow Graham you need to give us fair warning to pop some Excedrin Migraine before taking a look at something like that!

Sorry about the lack of a health warning, I'd already popped a couple of asprin before I started surfing, so it didn't feel the pain.

I think at least some of his/its 'science' came from the film "Outland", especially their ideas about what happens to a human body when its exposed to vacume(sic).

As for the material about manna coming from ants, I think they've seen pictures of Honey pot ants without the captions.

I was more intrigued by the moon hoax material at the bottom of the text, espcially the section that reads:

"Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being ultimately discovered. And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes..."

This is the first time I've seen this argument used by a HB. Anyone else seen this before?

Peter B · #10 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 05:10 AM

(reads first post)

Hmmm. No extraneous capital letters. No excessive use of exclamation marks.

It must be genuine!

[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]

JayUtah · #11 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 05:53 AM

"Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being ultimately discovered.

What magician does a trick six times in a row for the same audience?

And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes..."

So they filmed it all ahead of time? That sort of blows away the idea that they progressively gained experience and confidence and that's why the mission coverage quality improved. Gad, I wish these people would keep their story straight.

jrkeller · #12 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 06:33 AM

Quote:

On 2003-02-02 20:04, Graham2001 wrote:

Man has never been more than 300 miles above the final layer of our
atmosphere, the ionosphere, or his head would explode and his blood
would boil, without being injected with substitute blood, hydrazine
solution. Maybe a few astronauts have done this to their bodies and
souls and are sworn to secrecy in a kind of occult cabal.

What a classic. Inject ourselves with a known toxin

Quote:

> Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object
> to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in
> the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is
> "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space.
> Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the
> object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other
> molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is
> sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that
> there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect
> insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all
> sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.

==========End Quote==========

Well that does it for me. Everything that I was taught about heat transfer is wrong as well as all the work by Planck, Maxwell, and Boltzmann.

One question is still in my mind. How does the Earth cool at night?

g99 · #13 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 06:48 AM

Quote:

On 2003-02-03 01:33, jrkeller wrote:

One question is still in my mind. How does the Earth cool at night?

A big fan? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Graham2001 · #14 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 11:38 AM

Quote:

And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes..."

So they filmed it all ahead of time? That sort of blows away the idea that they progressively gained experience and confidence and that's why the mission coverage quality improved. Gad, I wish these people would keep their story straight.

LOL

Of course if they did film ahead of time, and the cancellation was because people were starting to catch on, there must be some off-cuts, even whole reels of unshown film, perhaps even Apollo 18, 19 & 20. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

Rue · #15 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 02:13 PM

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Oops, forgot to add the HAARP link http://www.haarp.alaska.edu

That is a good link it looks like they get their fair share of weird email questions too. It would appear Tesla has nothing to do with HAARP.

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/ltr/ltr3.html

edited cuz of html

[ This Message was edited by: Rue on 2003-02-03 09:15 ]

Graham2001 · #16 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert.

I don't know about sound stages but some info about the Nevada test site can be found at:

http://www.dtra.mil/td/ntpr/td_ntprvol.html

One warning though, you will need a fast connection some of the files are large.

Graham

sts60 · #17 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 04:02 PM

I remember an article from the Anchorage Daily News from 1996 about an open house at HAARP. One of the project scientists was expressing his frustration at the PCTs who were wandering around the building and still saying there was a big coverup. You cannot reason with such people. Given my mood after the loss of Columbia and hearing some of the subsequent conspiracy ravings, I can think of some other things to to with them... but I shan't put them into words here.

You can find a link to the article (payment required) from the ADN search page. Just enter search terms HAARP and "open house", and set the time period to all years.

Edited per g99's request; replaced the Oversized Quoted Link of Doom (TM).

And again to fix markup

We apologize for the fault with the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked.

[ This Message was edited by: sts60 on 2003-02-03 15:50 ]

g99 · #18 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 04:07 PM

please cut the link in half to save our browsers!!

Thanks

Bad Engineer · #19 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 05:13 PM

If nothing else, these hoax folks sure are entertaining to read/listen to. I got more laughs out of that first post than I did watching Robin Williams' latest standup ...

"The Columbia Shuttle was shot by an invisible ELF"

So Frodo didn't destroy the One Ring after all, eh ... looks like some pointy-eared government spook got it

B.E.

[ This Message was edited by: Bad Engineer on 2003-02-03 12:16 ]

JayUtah · #20 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 05:38 PM

(quoting some [insult omitted]) Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop ...

This would suggest that gases in general would cool much slower than solids, since there is much greater distance between the molecules and therefore fewer "heat dissipating" collisions per unit time.

(quoting JRKeller)
Everything that I was taught about heat transfer is wrong as well as all the work by Planck, Maxwell, and Boltzmann.

Not only that, NASA must have somehow figured out a way to fool my personal senses.

One question is still in my mind. How does the Earth cool at night?

By leaving the launch window open.

calliarcale · #21 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 05:43 PM

It still boggles my mind how many people think HAARP is some kind of tactical weapon -- and can even go so far as to confidently state range limits!

Ah, the world of the scientifically illiterate conspiracy theorist....

DaveDauria · #22 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 06:32 PM

Quote:

On 2003-02-03 12:38, JayUtah wrote:
(quoting some [insult omitted]) Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop ...

This would suggest that gases in general would cool much slower than solids, since there is much greater distance between the molecules and therefore fewer "heat dissipating" collisions per unit time.

Actually isn't it worse than that? I mean the way that I read that is that conservation of mass/energy isn't true and the destruction of energy(or heat in this case) is observable on our scale. (Never mind the fact that according to this guy silvering of thermos bottles is unnecessary and therefore any company that makes the bottles is in on the conspiracy since they tend to silver their thermos bottles.

Waarthog · #23 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 09:17 PM

By leaving the launch window open.

Ow. Jay, that one hurt!

[ This Message was edited by: Waarthog on 2003-02-03 16:18 ]

g99 · #24 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 09:20 PM

STS60: Thanks! I appreciate it.

liglats · #25 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

On 2003-02-03 06:38, Graham2001 wrote:
Of course if they did film ahead of time, and the cancellation was because people were starting to catch on, there must be some off-cuts, even whole reels of unshown film, perhaps even Apollo 18, 19 & 20. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

Don't worry... The missing footage will be released on Apollo 11, the complete and uncut, 5 dvd collectors edition!!! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]

Aldrin · #26 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 10:55 PM

Quote:

On 2003-02-02 20:37, g99 wrote:
Or that there is no way a ground based electronic system could of tracked the shuttle for long enougth to hit it with a beam that could of done damage? IT was traveling at mach 18 and would be in the range of a gound based sysytem for only a few seconds at the most. Even then it would prorobly take several seconds for the weapon to effect they systems enougth to hurt the craft. And then if it was some sort of electromagnetic wave gun all it would do is short out the computers (which are shielded against that sort of stuff, i think...Are they?).

If you assume that this kind of weapons need to targeting the object
precisely but like they said in the article (see below) "this time the blow was
devastating, as the Columbia ran into an electromagnetic 'wall,' *(see Radar images below)* in
the sky over Texas".
http://www.gulufuture.com/future/scalar_columbia_z.htm
Some explanation about the technology:
http://216.247.92.101/pub/bearden/iraq.htm

http://www.cheniere.org/books/part1/teslaweapons.htm

Maybe Radar Images should reveal something if you are able to find
> track of the activity before the events?
Look that one from 30 Jan 2003 10:04
http://members.toast.net/flashradar/FLASH20676.html
> Here is the Radar Image over Texas Aera at 18:00 utc 02/01/2003
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/shttlebr.gif
> Official site:
> http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/D.../si.kfws.shtml
>
> http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/Colimbia-explosion.html

Sounds unbelievable explain the Radar Images if you can?

[ This Message was edited by: Aldrin on 2003-02-03 17:59 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Aldrin on 2003-02-03 18:02 ]

Laser Jock · #27 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 11:15 PM

Great Aldrin's back. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

What is supposedly strange about these radar images?

Aldrin · #28 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 11:21 PM

Quote:

On 2003-02-03 18:15, Laser Jock wrote:
Great Aldrin's back. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

What is supposedly strange about these radar images?

Thanks,always there when things turns wild!
I suppose you see nothing in the image precisely over Texas aera and nowhere else.

Zathras · #29 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 11:24 PM

Quote:

On 2003-02-03 17:55, Aldrin wrote:
. . .
If you assume that this kind of weapons need to targeting the object
precisely but like they said in the article (see below) "this time the blow was
devastating, as the Columbia ran into an electromagnetic 'wall,' *(see Radar images below)* in
the sky over Texas".
http://www.gulufuture.com/future/scalar_columbia_z.htm
Some explanation about the technology:
http://216.247.92.101/pub/bearden/iraq.htm

http://www.cheniere.org/books/part1/teslaweapons.htm

You've gotta be kidding. What a compact ball of illogic that these pages present. Tesla's fantasies of death rays and the like were proven to have no chance of success. Tesla also thought that the best method of electric power transmission was wireless, i.e. lightening from the power station to the home! These attempts to produce death rays, death walls and the like fail because they do not satisfy Maxwell's equations (which would require a bizarre charge distribution) and the MHD equations(which say that such a charge distribution would fall apart almost instantly). To say that a death wall could be created just with photons is purely laughable (divergence and curl of the electric field would have to be 0).

Quote:

Maybe Radar Images should reveal something if you are able to find
> track of the activity before the events?
Look that one from 30 Jan 2003 10:04
http://members.toast.net/flashradar/FLASH20676.html
> Here is the Radar Image over Texas Aera at 18:00 utc 02/01/2003
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/shttlebr.gif
> Official site:
> http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/D.../si.kfws.shtml
>
> http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/Colimbia-explosion.html

Sounds unbelievable explain the Radar Images if you can?

[ This Message was edited by: Aldrin on 2003-02-03 17:59 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Aldrin on 2003-02-03 18:02 ]

I see the typical amount of ground clutter that I see any time I look at a radar image of the area. For the D/FW area, the main weather radar is at the airport, and so you see it centered in that way. You mean you've never seen ground clutter before?

g99 · #30 (**permalink**) 03-February-2003, 11:27 PM

Media reports put the noise down to the effects of the shuttle breakup, but this is clearly spurious. The shuttle was gliding at 203,000 feet. That works out to almost 40 miles. Aircraft-generated sonic booms 40 miles up in super-thin air do not shake homes at ground level. Nor do small debris parts. Just try generating air pressure changes at ground level when 40 miles up -no matter how fast you are going.

From: http://www.gulufuture.com/future/scalar_columbia_z.htm linked to in Aldrin's post.

[img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] I am guessing this person has never heard the shuttle land before or ever been in the vacinity of a working jet engine. I will leave the technical details to more superior beings than me. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] I really don't know thin air affects aerodynamics and the profile of the compression of the air infront of the jet. But i can see something coming in at mach 18 will prodice a big enougth compression to even compress thin air into a sonic boom.

The rest is too stupid to even comment on. this guy is just as mindnumbing to read as the other guy on alt.conspiracy..

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