I never claimed to be an expert. I'm not an engineer or a construction worker. I'm working on a Liberal Arts degree, and I just started college.

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And your point is?

I consider it to be more likely an aircraft than smoke.

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Lonewulf

It...is...a...question. They are followed by one of these:"?".



And, of course, no one said it did. Do you believe a 757 hit the ground at the Pentagon, as Snopes claims?

Do you know about how many people actually claimed to have seen an impact?

At least you quit insinuating I was lying. That's a start.


Well, Kookbreaker, you've failed to wow me thus far, as well.


If must be nice to just dismiss anything you don't agree with out of hand.



Safety in numbers.

If you say so, Kookbreaker.

There's no such thing as a plane being flown from the U.S. to Australia without a pilot, right?

Might I suggest glasses?

In what way does a lumpy, irregular smoke trail resemble a shiny 757?

Then, in the next frame, a smoketrail appears where the previous 757-that-looks-like-a-smoketrail once was?

Do you think anyone but the shills buys this explanation? Are you comfortable making perfectly ridiculous statements?

Okay, I can't resist.

It's also called a leading question, or a loaded question. There was a purpose behind it being asked.

As opposed to you outright accusing me of lying. That's not quite a start, now is it?

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Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -- Isaac Asimov

Yes, because they are not ridiculous. I'm not sure what the object is, but it is more likely to be an aircraft than a smoke trail.

Do you have any evidence or experience to prove otherwise?

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Lonewulf

There is a purpose behind all questions being asked. It's sort of the point of questions.

Gee, you lied, and I called you a liar?

The audacity!

Just the obvious photographic evidence.

Why is your "757" so lumpy and malformed? Why is it white, with no distinguishing features on it what so ever?

Why does it turn into smoke in the next frame?

Why are you pursuing this absolutely insane agenda?

If you want to discuss some technical aspect, please, by all means. I posted that paper so someone could perhaps try and refute it.

But for you to say that smoke trail is a 757 is to insult the intelligence of everyone on this board. You may believe that utter tripe, but I certainly will not.

It's rather obvious that in all other photographs that object is no longer there and that it was probably the jetliner that blasted into the Pentagon.

So the question becomes, what do you think that object is?

I will never be able to accept that some one like or president would be capable of such evil, either in orchrestration or advanced knowledge. I was able to be sceptical about Moon Landings, but this , 9/11, I was never more outraged in my life. To think One of our own could carry out something like this and have enough people to back him up ,simply couldnt happen. I will never accept it. If this was hoxed, everything that I hold dear would be lost.

It's YOUR opinion that it has no distinguishing features.

I see what could be a fuselage and a tail outlined in red). The silver colour could show up as white in the image because of the quality of the image and the distance. The pixelation makes identifying anything very difficult.

I'm pursuing it because YOU ask people to discuss the paper. If you don't agree, well, then we'll agree to disagree.

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Lonewulf

Except as dissipating smoke...

Except it doesn't have a single property of a plane, and all the properties of a smoke trail.

Except for that little detail, sure, it's a 757, all right.

Erm, a smoketrail, perhaps?

Exactly.You haven't sold it Jason. I pointed out the flaws of this CT approach. Your beliefs are based on faulty logic. I think that outside of trying to get a bite on your woowoo link you have nothing to offer this board except rhetoric and immaturity.Have you really thought this through? Wasn't the majority of the hijackers Saudi? Why invade Iraq? If I take this flawed reasoning to it's logical conclusion we would have invaded Saudi Arabia! Let's have a look at your other examples:

Israel? Israel is the dominant military power in the region and a U.S. occupation of a weakened Arab country that doesn't even border them would do what exactly? How does this help Israel?

Bases in Iraq. We had bases in the region prior to 9/11.

Empire building? What empire?

Tons of new laws. I presume you mean laws like the Patriot Act. Do you think "new laws" after terrorist incidents are really that surprising? Other countries that have been victimized by terrorist attacks enacted "new laws" too. Is that OK, or are they part of the nefarious cabal as well?For being "dumb questions" you seem unable to answer them. You throw "Israel," "pipelines," "military bases," "Empire building" etc out there in rhetorical fashion but lack the geopolitical savvy to realize how empty such phrases are.

BTW, I still haven't read from you how the conspirators pulled this off Jason.

As Lonewulf points out, a loaded question.

Stick with the eyewitness accounts.

Loaded question. Lots of folks saw the plane heading hard and fast towards the Pentagon. This loaded question reminds me of the all those Mumia supporters who claim only one person saw Mumia shoot Faulkner. Of course, several other witnesses saw Mumia run over to Faulkner with a gun and heard shots.

Oh, I never doubted that you posted there, and any such insinuations were netirely in your imagination. What I doubted was your claims about what your accomplishments in that thread were. It turns out, I was right.

Not caring. As can be seen, you did little more than plop a USENET post onto the thread. It had a load of hashmarks, and even I, experienced with USENET's quirks, found it annoying to fuss through. Even then I am still not certain if you added any comments of your own.

I just call 'em as I see 'em. you plop gibberish into a thread, then claim a victory.

For those who want to see it, the link is here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg14


I do.

Are we talking about a Commercial Airplane from a Commercial Airline? You need to define your terms better, as this is looking a lot like another loaded question.

You can twist all you want, but the pilots and aerospace engineers found your scenario laughable.

And I'm saying you're full of it. You may want to see that. You might possibly even believe that. But that's not what the picture shows. Every other detail in the photo is clear. The big shiny, reflective "757", however, appears as a lumpy, misshaped white cloud of smoke.

This is the silliest, most convoluted argument I've ever seen anyone make regarding 9/11.

Keep squirming and reaching.

If your whole case rests on a white cloud of smoke being a 757, I'd find a new hobby.

So... if someone's wrong about something... they're automatically a liar. Nevermind that they might have simply misstated something or, y'know, said something with honesty that ended up being wrong.

The audacity, indeed. According to you, "Wrong = lying".

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Let me put this another way for you, Obviousman.

Ever do any raytracing?

I'm pretty sure you haven't. In raytracing, each pixel of the image is generated by following the path of a given light to it's target.

Reflective objects are shiny. They bounce the light wave back more or less directly.

Diffuse objects, like your smoketrail, scatter the light.

Raytracing is a computer model of the real world. In the real world, Obviousman, shiny metal objects don't have the properties of a diffuse smoke cloud.

It's sort of an apples and oranges thing. I know, the ASCE made the claim, and you have to cling to it. But don't you feel the least bit silly?

It's like you're calling an elephant a kitty cat, and expect everyone else to chime in with you.

"Oh, yes, nice kitty. It's definitely a cat."

I just wish the rest of your ilk would try and support you.