Oh BTW, here's a good video for those of you who say there were only small fires in WTC7.

http://911myths.com/WTC7_Smoke.avi

ps. There's the reason there are no good pics of the south face damage.

Usually I wouldn't be involved in this, but I wanted to make it clear that this is blanently untrue and since I'm not a moderator perhaps I'll have some believablity.

Bobby N (count zer0) was warned and told to read the rules here, and here. He acknowledged the warning here and was specifically told that creating a new account after being banned would lead to further banning here. He could not claim ignorance of the rules or an unfair banning. He was clearly warned twice previous to the suspension and was warned of the result of creating an new account to get around it.

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Thanks for clearing that up.

Because it got drowned in this sock pupet nonsense, I will repeat it here (not because I don't have patience for ChaByu to come back online):



ChaByu, there was a post of mine you have not addressed yet. See post n°1550

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What ChaByu seems to have missed is the statement on that page that 10 seconds is longer than the free fall time, about 8 seconds. The authors may disagree with your time, phunk, but they agree with your conclusion: Nothing suspicious here.

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No, I think the diesel played a significant role. See
An Initial Microstructural Analysis of A36 Steel from WTC Building 7
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...rman-0112.html
J.R. Barnett is a professor of fire protection engineering, and R.R. Biederman and R.D. Sisson, Jr. are professors of materials science and engineering, at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, Massachusetts.

The authors present evidence that the steel failed as a result of heat and sulfur. (Sulfur forms a eutectic mixture with steel, severely weakening it. I have extensive - and unwanted - experience with this phenomenon.) Diesel fuel contains sulfur.

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If only you will have take the time to read calculation made on this page you must know than 2 inch of thermite on the outside plus the filling of the interior of the column was how the thermite was disposed.

http://www.physics911.net/thermite.htm

You wrote
-Further, how do you explain ignition?-

If you have taken the time to read prior post you should know

"It needs a very high temperature to be started, usually provided by burning a magnesium ribbon."

*Note that is the last time i will reply to those who dont even read reference made in a page linked or explanation given in prior posts.*

ChaByu tried something similar earlier in the thread; that the CIA directly hired 4 members of Al-Qaeda and paid for the operation. Although, yeah, it would be "easier" to imagine, he couldn't provide any evidence.

The same phenomemom was reported to occur in both WTC 7 and one of the 2 towers in FEMA's World Trade Center Building Performance Study, Appendix C. They had no answer for where the sulfur came from.

From that page...

Interesting.Because you adrees this point i will continue with the two last points leading to my evidence.

Nicolas this post is also in reply to the one you mention.
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The below statement occur in some fraction of seconds prior to the collapse

Lets see if as suggested the central core columns lose their capacity to support that part of the tower all the weight will be transferend immediately
to the exterior column.This tremendous amount of energy transfered will provoque vibrations enough to shake the ground.
At the same time the lower level at the basement begin to collapse (out of view rememember 72 feet below ground level.)The water vapor trap at this level is liberated and beging to grow up at the base of the tower.

The tension on the overall structure continue as the central core section collapse with everything attached to it ....

suddently the weakest part of the structure which is the impact point broke
the total collapse of the tower begin....

remember all the above describe the tower state prior the collapse occur only few fraction of second before the collapse begin.

I can demonstrate this have occured that way if you are in agreemnt with that description.If there is something not clear ask me for precision.

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Sadly, in CTeese, that translates to "it is a fact, and if you weren't a blind government shill you would be able to see it"

Thats right that is why I try to figure out how things would have happened if this have occured that way.Call it obstination if you will.

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Can you define precisely what is the "thing" you will accept as proof or evidence this (could) have happened?

edited precision (could)

We've all read that page, you've been linking it for a month now. The question is, have you read it?

From that paper:

Debunked, the 'spikes' are artifacts of compressing the graph horizontally.

Debunked, was at least several seconds beyond freefall times, more likely double freefall time.

Dust is not pyroclastic. The difference between the cloud of dust and smoke from the collapse and a pyroclastic cloud is like the difference between a toaster and a blast furnace.

No evidence of pools of molten steel other than some amature observations (people calling red hot "molten").

There were still fires burning in the rubble.

All that, and the fact that this guy doesn't say anything other than how much thermite might be needed in a hypothetical situation. He doesn't say it was actually used or present any evidence that it was.

Agree with that description? We can agree that it's your theory, but I don't think anyone can agree that it's what actually happened until you present some evidence. How do you expect anyone to agree before that?

Pyroclastic flow! Oh, that's rich. Did the government cause a volcano to erupt underneath the twin towers?

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Their estimate of a 2 inch thick layer is based upon coating the entire 12 foot length of the column. So for 40+ columns, you are going to expose 12 feet of it, coat it with 2 inches of thermite (how do you make it stick?) and cover it all up again, and no one will notice all this work? I also wonder (again, I'm assuming their calculation are correct) that you will get the same melting of the columns if you take your 760 kg of thermite and spread it evenly on such a large area, rather than concentrating it at one point.

If instead you decided to put it all at one point, a block of thermite at the base of the column, they estimate approximately a 0.2 meter cubed volume. That doesn't sound like much, but you are now talking about a cube of thermite 0.6 meters on each side (about 2 feet). Again, I find it difficult to believe that no would notice these 760 kg, 0.6 meter cubes of "stuff" sitting around in the basement.

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So ChaByu, if this is how you believe things happened the way you described them, I'm interested in your evidence that shows this is indeed physically possible and compatible with the events of that day.

I'm not following the wator vapor thing, but you can explain that together with your evidence of physical possiblility and factual compatibility.

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Look at this video .
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc1_split.wmv

also this video
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtcshake.wmv

the camera shakes about 11 seconds before the collapse. Are you saying that's the result of demolitions being detonated?

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So, where is all this water vapor? And if this vapor was produced in the lower levels, why are we watching a video of the top the the building?

Which brings up another point. If there was that much thermite placed around and in the support beams, how come we see no evidence of explosions on the ground before the collapse? It wouldn't matter if it happened 7 floors down. The amount of pressure caused by so much Thermite would have more than likely been seen and felt. With all the rescue workers and camera crews literally at ground zero, no one noticed this, or caught it on film? Not likey.

This theory has gone way beyond conspiracy. It's gotten to the point of shear fantasy.

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ChaByu, those videos answer nothing. You were asked 2 direct questions:

I want to be clear here--answer these direct questions or you will be in violation of the rules, noting in particular (emphasis added):

This is a warning.

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So we have 1 video of a camera shaking before the collapse. Are there any others shaking at or near the same time?

*edit: I'm replying to this post.

I would suggest waiting with going into the camera shaking thing people. ChaByu did not mention it as far as I know. For all I know, he claims things happened in a fraction of a second so camera shaking 11 seconds before the collapse of the impact point leads away from what he has to say.

ChaByu: I am familiar with those videos, I used the second one myself to show those claiming there was no fire inside in the moments before collapse wrong.

How do these videos answer any of my questions as quoted by Duane? Please explain them in your own words, because clearly your evidence does not speak for itself from my point of view at this stage.

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Haliburton + Detention Camps = 9-11

"The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060124/20060124005819.html?.v=1

Thats right but I wanted to start with visual demonstration before.
By the way this was discuted on page 13
WTC Demolition Evidence

I was asked by other members to elaborate about the elements indicating the possible use of thermite...that is was i have done.I know this is "thin".

My reply to
Phantom Wolf post
-What you need to do is show proof of something that can -ONLY- be caused by Thermite, such as steel supports that have been partially or totally cut by high temperature melting and has aluminium oxide residue on it.-

OK can you tell me where i can find these steel supports for analyse ?

I was only relying on memory about these videos about the time of duration.
Rather than fraction of seconds it is few seconds before the collapse these thing have happened.

Wait a moment i am searching this quote by Duane

Are you talking about this post by you
WTC Demolition Evidence

As for the quote by Duane is it about the amount of thermite and how it was put in place.
I think i have answered.The answer is in the link .

I cannot even now name what page it is because Duane accuse me of promoting my theory...which by the way is not mine.

So ill stop any comments and any further discussion on this WTC evidence thread.

If it is allowed by the rules?

this post

So the fractions of a second have turned into seconds you say? Anyway the questions remain: do show your evidence that shows your desciption fits with physical reality and the events that occured on that day. I suggest you take blowing away the central columns in the basement as a given (let's give the thermite thing a rest) and continue from there to clearly explain things happened the way you desribed them, thereby not violating physics nor the events of the day.

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Like i said i have lost all the videos i have after problem with my computer so
relying only on memory my timing should be few seconds rather than fraction of seconds.

Well my evidence was based on the visual effect seen on these videos which speak by themselve IMHO
already discuted on page 12 and 13
WTC Demolition Evidence
WTC Demolition Evidence

This end my participation to this WTC thread for the reasons I give in post 1587
WTC Demolition Evidence
also post
WTC Demolition Evidence

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Correction post 1587 and post 1588