Ok, take a quick peak at this site. So, the world is involved in a "Weather War"! Snip:

And, just how does the author know this, how's this "control" achieved? Snip:

Oh yeah, contrails and chemtrails...of course!

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Hoo boy, Scott Stevens. He appears on C2C every now and then where they bill him as a "real weatherman!"

Last time I saw him in the news was here. Yee-haw.

From the link provided by Wolverine...

..as long as he keeps the station out of the debate??? Wow, he must really be popular for a news organization to "keep him on" knowing that his ideas are (how do I say this nicely) wacko.

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Oh God, is this one of those places that says the Yakuza caused Hurricane Katrina with leased Russian cold-war-era weapons?

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Apparently this guy has never seen wacky weather like we have here in New England.

The weather is not always predictible, why do you think weathermen are wrong half the time? (99% of the time here)

It's going to be warmer in some areas this winter, yawn, nothing that's happened before. Next time find something that isn't as massiver a logical leap as this if you want to start yelling conspiracy.

1: If a human being was controlling the weather, he would have screwed it all up by now, people are morons, or at least the ones that end up controlling that kind of thing.

2: If there IS somebody controlling the weather, I want to know where the dude is. I live in Washington state and have some requests!

3: As far as I know, there is nothing man made that can come close to generating the kind of energy it would take to move enough air to create a light breeze, let alone a hurricane.

This thread reminds me of the movieThe Core. Which I enjoyed , and was surprized by. In the Core , we develope a weopon to disrupt the inner Earths Core in order to create Earthquaks on demand . Well things go wrong and we disrupt the inner core to the point where its rotation and a the magnetic field are made inoperable.

I had wondered of Mars when watching this. It is my bad Astronomy fancy that Pheobos was a free roaming asteroid and collided with Mars. Would such a collision destroy Mars's inner core? Sorry for the change of direction

I think such a collision would destroy phobos, and not really affect mars much in the long run.

The Core is rife with errors.
Do you know how much energy is needed to stop the Earth's core from spinning? More then we can produce.

The Earth's Magnetic field doesn't really protect us from anything, so the worst that would happen would be compasses not working properly.

I love how it contradicts itself, too. "How to birds navigate?" "uhhh... By sight?" "No, Over long ranges, the Earth's Magnetic field!" - He says as birds proceed to crash into buildings that they'd be able to see.

Randomly soldering wires onto a metal won't give you power.

The list goes on.

Anyways, I rather doubt that anything (asside from planets) inside our solar system could do any significant damage to Mars.

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I was ignorant of these issues, they claimed them so convincingly. Boy thats dangerous. As for Birds , it is a fact that they do indeed have internal compasses as concentrated deposits of Iron in thier brains. This indeed might have such an Effect , but its speculation. But the Birds brain is so small that prehaps such magnetic distortion could overide sight . But it is speculative I agree.

I dont understand by [QUOTERandomly soldering wires onto a metal won't give you power.
][/QUOTE] where was that in the movie

Oh man, did that movie stink! As GDwarf notes, it has so many howlers that it would be far easier to list the things they got right, rather than the errors!

However, the scene he is referring to is right at the end when the shock wave from one of the nuclear bombs is heading toward them as they drift, powerless. The hero (cough, cough) suddenly remembers that the skin of the ship is able to generate electricity from the heat of its surroundings. He then proceeds to appear to attach a few wires randomly from the hull into various pieces of equipment (can't remember this - did he have a battery operated soldering iron, or something?) and re-power the ship. Luckily all the voltages, resistances, amperage and a whole bunch of other -age's were all just right and they escaped in the nick of time.

Although pigeons do use magnetic field for long distance navigation, I would be hugely surprised if an anomoly in the field would cause said pigeon to smack into a bloody great big building right in front of it. btw - if you have The Core on DVD, watch the pigeon scene in slow motion. Tell me that isn't a fish that smashes through the cafe window!!

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Not a chance. Birds use their natural compass in the same way humans use an artificial compass: to keep on track over long distances and for orientation. Birds don't need their compass to avoid objects and find food and building material in the same way that we don't need a compass to walk around the house. They can see just fine.

I'm surprised the Woos haven't latched onto this:

http://www.casperstartribune.net/art...dc005e9924.txt

Obviously this is PROOF that man is manipulating the weather!!



BTW, where has Meteora been? I'd love to know her take on this issue.

tbm

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Birds fly by sight, they follow routes... roads, power lines, rivers, etc etc. Even if it means flying extra distance, they follow a route which uses natural and man made features as their map. Several studies recently have shown that they even do this for long-distance migrations.

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Well that might be fine overland, but not too many landmarks when you're crossing the pacific, North to South.

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i still like the movie though

That's an upsetting idea. I think we have enough Earthquaks already, i.e., Hoagland, Rene, Van Flandern, Sibrel...just to name a few.

BTW, this thread would seem to be a natural for Meteora. Anyone heard from her lately?

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Potentially stupid question to follow...

If it is possible to "seed" clouds in the west to increase rainfall, wouldn't that cause problems for the Midwest as far as rainfall goes?

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They still haven't proven if seeding clouds actually works. However, with this newest attempt they are doing on a large scale they are trying to prove that it does in fact work (as well as just increase rainfall).

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To generate a hurricane, we wouldn't have to produce the power required to power it. Rather, we would simply have to channel additional power to where hurricanes are born and grow.

One possibility is erecting large, spinning solar mirrors (reflective "space blanket" material) and focusing them on the Caribbean and the Gulf.

Even if the amount of energy going into those waters was increased by just 1%, it would have a significant effect on the number and power of hurricanes.

However, I really doubt anyone's doing this! Perhaps 40 years from now, though, who knows?

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If we halt the ISS, all versions of Ares, and transport Orion and Altair aboard DIRECTv3's Jupiter family of Shuttle-Derived Launch Vehicles, we just might make it back to the Moon by 2020.

Power, yes, but not the number. You still need the right conditions in the atmosphere to initiate formation.

Give me HLLV and find out:
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Just glut areas with convection and hopefully draw some heat ahead of any waves--cooling the path ahead if you will.

Well, geeminy patooties...if someone was controlling the weather, let me know who, so I can go smack 'em for making it cold enough here last week that I darn near froze a few vitals off...

The item on Drudge this morning bewailed the northern UK weather over the last couple of days...30 cm snow and -10C temps...for those of us on this side of the pond, that's a foot of snow and +14F temperatures...in other words, a not unusual sudden December Ohio snowstorm...and for those in the Lake Erie snowbelt (Cleveland-Buffalo), I'd be willing to bet that those conditions are yawn-inducing..."Wha? Oh...it snowed last night...ok..."

Someone's controlling the weather? They'd better get their fecal deposits together, 'cause they're doing a really lousy job at it...

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Our local ski resorts would definitely agree with you--this is the second year in a row that their business has been hampered by not enough snow. (What's worse, this year, they got snow a-plenty . . . then it warmed up and rained.)

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I'd like to thank whatever evil (or good) weather control superpowers have given we central Texans some lovely temps and weather of late. It'll be in the 70s & 80s all week. Now that's my kinda winter.

tbm & Mak - so nice of you to notice my absence. I just don't have a lot of spare time, and I use more of it on FWIS now (although I don't post all that often there, either...).

Anyway, I've seen the Weather Wars thing. One of my former coworkers alerted us to it. Total nonsense. But then, of course, I'm one of those government agents....

The Wyoming cloud seeding thing might work - or might not. Oklahoma tried it a while back when we were in a drought. Might have worked. Might not have. Nobody really told us when or where they were seeding. Of course, we're in a rather significant drought again, along with some nasty grassfires on the windier days (and Oklahoma is quite well noted for its wind!). I think it's been determined that cloud seeding does cause locally-increased rainfall (which probably is at the expense of closely-neighboring areas), and decreases hail size, but I'm really not sure of that.

As for those of you complaining about the weather and wondering who controls it... please ignore my signature.

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Bingo!

There's dumping all and any of your heat here- it's so bloody awefully hot!!

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Well you choose to live in Brisbane. It's always hot there.

Oh, and you might want to temper yur posting a little for the lanuage. Might be general use in Oz, but.....

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