The apollo moon hoax,is it true or (not) I believe it is not true,but what are you thinking? Denis.

It is as certain as it is reasonably possible to be that the Apollo missions took place. See http://www.clavius.org/ and http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html for good debunkings of the various arguments that they were hoaxed

There is no "moon hoax". If you don't want to take our word for it, then I'd suggest you:

1. Read the BA's book.

2. Go to Jay's site.

If you can take these two steps and still think that there's a moon hoax, then all I have to say is, "Hi Bart!".

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There is no hoax, period. The only reason this idea is still floating around is due to simple ignorance, self-promotion or moneymaking. The Apollo program is very well documented starting from design, to testing, to actual missions. We have more than 800 lbs of lunar rocks from the six successful landings. There are the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment devices left of the Moon that we are still using today. We also have images and film taken on the Moon.

The evidence is overwhelming that Apollo was real. Most of the arguments from the hoaxmongerers evaporate under a little scrutiny. You should read the links others have posted. Both the BA and JayUtah have excellent rebuttals to this hoax nonsense.

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The real Apollo hoax is the conspiracy on the part of the hoax proponents to fleece gullible people without taking any responsibility for the accuracy or defensibility of their conclusions.

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Clavius Moon Base

More money in sensational lie then in dull truth.

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Beauty I’d always missed
With these eyes before,
Just what the truth is
I can’t say anymore.

-- Moody Blues

IMHO I would hardly call the Apollo missions dull! They were just about THE most exciting thing going on in a young lads life at that time......

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Are we alone in the Universe? Are we the only intelligent life? Who knows? But the universe is so BIG, it somehow seems such a waste of space if we are ....

I'm gunna go with ummmmmmmmm. Let's seee...... Perhaps..... Ummmm. NOT!

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Massive international conspiracy much more exciting!!

Ask people

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Beauty I’d always missed
With these eyes before,
Just what the truth is
I can’t say anymore.

-- Moody Blues

No

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I have decided to not play devils advocate

Except this, If it was a hoax? What would conscrue as evidence?

Someone coming forward, that was involved?

High resolution image of moon by a probe finding no Apollo junk?

Discovery that Moon rock and Rock core samples are not actualy from moon?

I went through this with you , and I assure you that you have presuaded me to Apollos accomplishments. It took a lot of reading of your posts. I would suggest if any Moon Hoaxters show up we deliver them to that old Moon Man Postings , there is a lot of information there. Best I have ever seen BAUTers.
You should be proud.

My comment only concern which more exciting not which true. Fiction often more exciting. Not bound to mundane? reality.

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Beauty I’d always missed
With these eyes before,
Just what the truth is
I can’t say anymore.

-- Moody Blues

Wayneee asked: Do you mean construe?

By the way, good question. This is what's known as falsifiability. It's what makes a theory scientific. There are a number of pieces of evidence, which, if they could be shown to exist, would show that Apollo did not happen as NASA claims.

This would be a start. It would give people something to investigate further. But by itself, it's not strong evidence. For example, the person could be lying, or mentally incompetent.

But if we were imagine a scenario in which Apollo was faked, and this person coming forward was the first step in uncovering a hoax, then what would happen next? Well, I'd be asking this person some very specific questions about their role in the hoax, and their wider knowledge of the hoax. I'd be asking them to name other people and direct us to documents and other evidence which would back up their claim.

After all, the hoax would have to explain a range of factors which are currently seen as evidence supporting the reality of Apollo.

This would be very convincing if evidence could be produced. After all, there are no plausible mechanisms or reasons for removing the junk. It's possible that natural events have destroyed all the Apollo junk, but no one says it's plausible within 35 years.

That by itself wouldn't be convincing. After all, the rocks could have been faked on Earth, but the missions still performed.

Maybe to some people, but certainly not to me. I find real life accomplishments far more exciting than made up ones.

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Thank you for those kind words, Wayne. It gets awfully frustrating, sometimes.

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All of the above doesnt really prove anything does it? The Russians also could produce documents of their designs, testing and missions, but they never went, even though they were ready just one month after the Apollo 11 landing. The laser could have been placed by a robot (just look what theyre doing on Mars with no human involvement) and the supposed Moon rocks could easily have been collected by Von Braun when he visited Antarctica just a few years pre Apollo. We also have film and images from Mars with no human hand ever taking the pictures.

You have to take all data into consideration to land at a solution.

You seem to be under a misconception. The Apollo missions were intensively documented with photographs, rock samples, etc. If your contention is that the Apollo missions didn't occur per this documentation, then it is up to you to show us that the documentation is wrong...you have to demonstrate, with evidence, that the missions did not occur.

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But this forums main aim is to debunk such evidence. You obviously know the evidence already so by me posting links to such things that you do not believe in will accomplish what?

So your goal should be to provide some evidence that doesn't fall over at the slightest scrutiny like everything that the conspiracy nuts have shown so far.

Moot. The Russians never claimed they sent a manned mission. If they had tried to claim they had gone the World would have seen through the lies.

Robotic probes could not have place all the reflectors as accuratly as man. The Mars rovers are generations improved over anything available at the time.

Where is the documentation of this alledged visit? Show us a cargo manifest.

See robot answer.

Yes and none has been shown to prove the Hoax rumor.

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I believe same. However, statistics show we do not represent statistic norm.

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Beauty I’d always missed
With these eyes before,
Just what the truth is
I can’t say anymore.

-- Moody Blues

What like when they fooled everyone for over 30 years by saying that Gagarin was the first man in Space? or when they covered up the Nedelin explosion on the launchpad in 1960 and didnt release any information to the public until 1990?

Dont fool yourself, anything can be covered up if you have enough money and scare tactics.

Covering up a hoax (the moon landings did, by the way, happen, and there is abundant and incontrovertable evidence to establish that fact) would be as difficult as an attempt to cover up the roundness of the earth, were there a (fictional) conspiracy to assert that the earth is flat.

The verdict is still out to who really shot JFK. If a coverup can exist today of that magnitude why do you think that a space program to the Moon which was conducted and all the data there after released by one company (NASA) why do you think it would be that hard to cover things up?

Russia had just as a big a project as NASA and covered up many things (as described above in my other post) so why do you think that NASA and the United States are any different?

Well Gagarin was first in space unless you disqualify him on the grounds that he ejected from his caspule (Just like all the first cosmonauts) wasnt he?
Theres no evidence that hasnt been debunked of any previous sucessful manned launches.

A) There is no reasonable evidence that anyone other than Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, shot JFK. There's a lot of unreasonable evidence that has been proven wrong, but no serious look at the evidence points to any other suspect. (No matter what all those websites and books want you to think.)

B) All the things the Soviet space program "covered up" have since been uncovered. At the time they were kept secret, the Soviet Union had a much tighter control over its people than the US. Comparing secrecy in the US and the USSR is comparing apples and oranges.

C) Okay. Let's look at that Soviet space program, shall we? If it was as advanced as you yourself have admitted, they would have known if the US program was a hoax! If they couldn't tell, how can you?

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"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Are you serious?

Hundreds, probably thousands of people a year examine the moon rocks. They don't all work for NASA, in fact most do not. Are they all uneducated boobs?

Here's a link that all you the reader needs to examine the reports of some of the lunar samples. Furthermore, there is a 100+ page bibliography of those who examined the samples. They can't all be stupid, or all be fooled the government

Really? Then how come Watergate was uncovered so quickly, in spite of lots of money and even the use of scare tactics by those involved in it?

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Maybe because the Soviet Union was a totalitarian government and the US is a democracy and has a free press and freedom of speech. Just a thought.

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I love it when threads in different sections cross over the same bad information. This is clearly lacking an understanding of what kind of a number Billions and billions is, relating the amount of money needed to cover this up. I think it has been shown time and time again, for the some kind of hoax/cover up of the Apollo program it would have taken WAY more effort and money than actually going to the moon.

Now what we need is a medium to talk get the ghosts of JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald in a room and figure out what happened, they better do it soon before a big asteroid comes and wipes us all out, except for sharks because they haven’t evolved since before the last extinction event and will make it through Nemesis as well.

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