Instead of a 160 ton, 800 km/h aircraft, a missile was flown into the building.
Instead of an aircraft's fuel exploding, an aircraft brought a fuel bomb into the building.

See a pattern here?

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A passenger plane delivers a fuel-air bomb.
A flying fuel-air bomb delivers a second one.

Yeah, sure.

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Well yes, and compressed gas which escapes catastrophically falls under the definition of BLEVE. In the context of this discussion, however, I am talking about a flammable liquid BLEVE.

Doesn't change what my point was, however. Although a BLEVE does produce a shockwave, the expanding fireball only continues to expand until the fuel source is exhausted. For it to be used in a building, the tank would have to be ruptured, presumably by a primer explosive, releasing the pressurized gas without igniting it, then a secondary ignition source employed to ignite the cloud. It would be easier, and far more effective, to simply open a gas line, let it fill an eclosed place, then ignite it. The expanding fireball proposed in this CT wouldn't have enough power to take out any columns.

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The omne I saw was for an arson course I was in. It was not made available to the general public.

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They give courses in arson?

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Heh! Yes, on how to detect it, determine cause and point of origin, that type of thing. Not how to become one, rather, how to catch one.

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You mean you can't!!!???
It could also be a mini-fusion(using magnetic compression rather than a fission trigger) nuke that was used to imitate a FAE which would imitate the effects of aircraft fuel igniting.

I note that no one can prove that explosives were not planted in WTC 7 to take out the very same columns that NIST's appendix L suggests failed, thus imitating the faliure of those columns by debris impact and fire.

Nor can anyone prove that a 737 with modified undercarriage and engines was not used on the Pentagon rather than a 767.

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On an episode of
"Maximum Exposure" such an explosion is shown in Mexico as a rail car explodes.

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You have burden of proof backwards. We don't have to prove something didn't happen; you have to prove (or at least show real evidence!) that it did.

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I can prove that no fusion/fission bomb was used.
No radiactive fallout and the rest of manhattan (fission) or New York and its surroundings (fusion) is still standing.

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He was mocking the whole "prove me wrong" stance CTists always take...

Sarcasm was my intent. Do not confuse me with a CT please.

As for the nuke, no radioactive fallout due to not using a fission nuke trigger to create temp + pressure required for fusion. Small size due to using smaller amount of hydrogen.

This is all from the minds (?) of the CT crowd. There is never a technology so complicated that they cannot make it even more so in order to shoehorn it into their theories.

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What if Al-Queda did it???

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Perhaps....Nah, sorry. Not nearly as cool and romantic as a vast, complex black op conspiracy by the TPTB

Sorry for being so thick!

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It is understood that this is sarcasm, but it still won't work. Assuming it was possible to build a pure fusion bomb, much of the output would be energetic neutrons. There would be induced radioactivity, lots of black film and people dead or dying from massive radiation poisoning.

Real world hardware used to do fusion experiments (not for a bomb) without a fission trigger is large - like a large building - and requires a lot of power. The theoretical concepts I've seen for a pure fusion bomb would be huge (and it isn't obvious it would work). Of course, this is public information and the CTers will claim there is some magic in Evile Guberment labs. I think something that far beyond what is publically known is extremely unlikely, but assuming we grant that, we still come back to the lack of evidence for a fusion bomb.

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Of course, this is public information and the CTers will claim there is some magic in Evile Guberment labs.

As a routine visitor to those "Evil Gubbmint Labs" I can attest that the fusion triggers they are currently contemplating still require an inconveniently large building to carry them around in.

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Hey, Jay, what's a conveniently large building to carry them around in?

I'm sorry I missed the sarcasm earlier. I will hang my head in shame.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Actually that one is very easy to disprove (ignoring the fact that it was a 757 not a 767). Given enough of the wreckage, the parts manual and a parts computer, I could do it fairly quickly. There is not very much compatability between the two types. But I got your point.

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You also win the admiration of me for picking up the 757/767 mistake. I had noticed it myself after posting but thought, 'what the H. Let's see if anyone hits on it". After all I was playing at being a CT.

From the left wing nut bar equivalent to "The National Enquirer".
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/cutt...ht_down_wt.html

There are several hilarious statements such as the tons of thermite obviously burning in the buildings to the last few paragraphs in which they attempted to get quotes from Bazant and Eager.

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A very large house trailer?

You see therein lies the hole that the CT will try to wiggle a convoluted theory into. THe WTC towers were indeed conveinently large buildings with an upgraded power system.

Neutrons, pah! No problem they will simply dig up reports of increased background radiation in the vicinity and wave their hands. This will require that you quantify the amount of radioactive isotopes created in the vicinity by the huge flux of neutrons at which time their eyes glaze over and they accuse you of obfuscation. That or you will assume a certain number of neutrons by assuming a yeild of the device after which they will simply claim that the yeild you used is bogus.
Or, given that making things extremly complicated and doing a lot of handwaving is the style of the CT, they will cojure up a neutron sheild. Perhaps a dueterium heavy water jacket in the walls of the building core so that neutrons ejected any direction other than up will be absorbed and then the heavy water evaporated and blown away out to sea.

Now I am sorry, I seem to be good at playing CT. It requires little actual technical knowledge. In fact actual knowledge must be partially repressed in order to continue having baseless conjectures spinning out.

Shal we delve into 'faster than free fall" lol

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Of course a CT could say that they just loaded a bunch of 757 parts into a 737. Then you'd say 'ok where's the corrisponding 737 part or indeed any purely 737 parts?'. They'd reply 'it just wasn't found' or it was carted away by MIB. Eventually you'd want to give them a good shaking and go drink some beer.

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The reference was to the mythical printed edition of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Adams notes that if published in convention print form, the guide would require the reader to carry it around in "several inconveniently large buildings". I think the gist is that any building is inconvenient. The Dept. of Energy labs still have not designed a non-fission trigger for a nuclear fusion reaction that is not so large it requires a building-sized container.

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It just struck me as funny, that's all. (I've read those books, too, but not in a few months.)

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

I read the books but that was a long time ago.


That you know of. (nods head knowingly) -reference WKRP's Les Nessman

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I used to think it was funny too until I got into aerospace and saw that the paper documentation for a lot of those designs and maintenance actions indeed occupied entire buildings.

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