Heh. Ah well, it has been awhile and I forgot.

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An interesting read. It took awhile, but I read all the posts and links provided.

No doubt in my mind that it's just a hoax. It's not even very good one. If advanced aliens made that piece of rough metal, they have a lot to learn about making a properly machined product. I wonder what it's use on the UFO could have been. Not very high tech is it?

Maybe it accidentally came off the UFO during takeoff. Says a lot about the advanced technology used to build their interstellar spacecraft. That probably explains why the UFO crashed in 1947!

The site where the information is originally from, has the look and feel of a classic UFO believer site(which I'm sure it is). Not something to be taken very seriously, unless you are a true believer in such things and take it all at face value, without requiring or wanting real proof.

You got an alien artifact; Excellent, but you are going to need something better than that piece of junk to prove it.

Nice link NC--I have added it to the Fallacy links in the ATM forum.

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Not sure, but I think the implication was that is was a waste product from their highly advanced power generation equipment. Which explains why they don't hang around. I mean do you spend a lotta time at your local waste dump?

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Or it could be the alien equivalent to the "blue ice" that sometimes falls from jetliners...

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OK that is just too funny. No wonder we can't figure out how it is made. It is an aluminium eating alien turd.

But really, I don't see why people get so defensive if people don't out of hand simply believe a story that involves aliens. If ever there was an extrodinary claim, this is it.

As far as believing extrodinary claims and the burden of proof, proving that the material is extraterestrial in origin is up to the one who is claiming it.(As has been said many times on many different threads on this forum)

Say an individual is accused of a crime. His defense is that aliens came out of the sky, did the act in question, and then left, leaving him at the scene holding the bag when the cops showed up.
Is it the prosecutions burden to PROVE that aliens did not do this? Maybe some people think they should, as this is what the proponents are asking us to do with the White metal chunk. I do not believe this is a reasonable argument.

If this piece of metal is indeed ET, I would be thrilled for evidence that we are not alone. I think a lot of people on this board would welcome with open arms true proof that there are little green men. If fact billions of dollars a year are spent exploring our world and surronding worlds looking for life. Mars is under the microscope and SETI is hard at work listening for signs of intelligence. But, you also have to not take each story that comes along without a healthy dose of sceptisism.

Sometimes the people on this board can seem harsh in their criticism of extraordinary claims. But, a lot of times these people have helped debunk people who were selling something and preying on the fears or hopes of people who wanted to believe something. Me, I am glad the sceptics are here. This board has helped teach me some better critical thinking, and how to ask the right questions. I also applaud Metal Head for hanging in there and trying to figure out what is going on. I hope he sticks around. That said, I do not agree with his interpretation and feel that he has gone into this with expectations based on what he wants to believe.

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That Ladyattis chick is a little slow in the mind and can't grasp reality. Aluminum can not be created naturally. Show me a case where it has. It is a complex prosess produce aluminum. Hence the word produce. People who close their mind, continue to not learn anything. If this did happen naturally it would be the first of its kind and should be investigated. If it is a hoax of some kind and was manmade It would be the first of its kind should also be investigated. I have yet to see a replication of this object. Metal man is making complete sence intead of anyways thinking about your responce try to understand what the other person is talking about first.

I really mean manufactured not produced.

Welcome gelfin2000, I see you are a new poster. Arguing against another poster's ideas is perfectly acceptable, but comments such as this are not considered acceptable here. I'd recommend you read the posting rules:

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See here:

http://webmineral.com/specimens/picshow.php?id=32

this was referenced in the following post in this thread (thanks E45!):

Bob White recovered Material from a UFO.

Natural aluminum is rare, and usually only found in small amounts. As I understand it, however, Ladyattis's argument was simply that this was an option that couldn't be ruled out. But I would agree that it isn't the most likely option. See below for that.

In fact, hoaxes are quite common and as I noted here:

Bob White recovered Material from a UFO.

this has been investigated. Tests indicated it was common alloy, and there was no indication that there was anything "extraterrestrial" or odd about it.

I'd recommend you read the article on Bob White that I noted in the post. Whether Bob White convinced himself he had found something special or whether it is a deliberate hoax, there is no evidence to support his or Metal Man's position.

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I would like to second this comment, and also make it official.

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Great forum. Lets look at the facts.

IS THE ALLOY MAN MADE OR NATURAL?
"Native Aluminium" is rare but not unheard of. It has been found in Siberia, East Pacific Rise and the Moon!!
http://www.mindat.org/mesg-6-35409.html

The object is made of earth minerals. Its formation suggests extrusion or molding and it closely resembles a man made Alloy 360.

If we take Bob White's account of an aerial collision into account, then is this possibly a form of aircraft debris that underwent melting and rapid cooling as it descended to earth?

Is this the basis for the UFO claim? Surely an alien craft would have something a little more exotic than an earth alloy?

The platelike outer shell reminds me of perlite. This forms weak plates around rapidly cooled volcanic glass. If we discount Mr Whites testimony, then we are left with either an extrusion experiment with unconventional cooling, or a naturally reducing volcanic origin.

yes i would discount the eye witness testimony to...amazing...

yes i would discount the eye witness testimony to...amazing...

No, more like that a single eye-witness is generally unreliable. A single eye witness with addition forensic evidence, better. Multiple eyewitnesses with forensic evidence, much better, multiple eye witnesses with forensic and photographic evidence, extremely good. Guess which catagory White falls into.

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Just like a recreational vehicle, they dump the toilet before setting off for deep space. Just so happens that they crap aluminum.

I know this because my tin-foil hat fell off one night and I found myself abducted and forced to have dinner with them. They served up what I am sure was a lovely dish on thier planet, consisting of bauxite ore with a side of alumina fresh out of thier Hall-Heroult smelting oven.

I tried to feed mine to thier...ah...er....dog but even he wouldn't eat it.

Case closed.

nope case not closed..in fact is is going full steam ahead..gama burst interest anyone..lol

naw probably not..

Have you actually got any evidence at all, metal man?

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how about some neutrons from a test last month emitting from the metal...

look that one up and smoke on it awhile..like where you find them at..

Metal man...you reply to a 3 month old request for evidence with an unsubstantiated hand-wave?

Come on...