If that "torn" piece of metal is really emitting the particles that are producing the tracks in the detector, then it is very interesting. They dont talk about the energy of the neutrons though. If you used a CR39 track detector you could tell the energy of the neutrons. I certainly would not handle that object.....

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...e/IMG00687.jpg

[Deep breath] I may be shunned, censured or banned for this, but I feel the need to speak my mind. What I am saying is my own opinion.

I have read this thread completely and am somewhat taken aback with the behavior of some of the posters. The very things I see marked for bad behavior by dissenters or hoax believers are being used to confuse, provoke and misdirect.

Metal Man has repeatedly stated:

1. He doesn't know where the material originated
2. He can only state that the material is unusual
3. He has personal feelings which may or may not be valid.
4. He is working the problem and enlisting professionals to help in his quest.

Many responses I have read have clearly put words into Metal Man's mouth. Others have tried to get him to commit to a belief using their knowledge of a topic not related to this thread. Others have obfuscated his statements in a tortured effort to confuse and misdirect or otherwise. Still others have attacked his grammar and spelling.

I don't know Metal Man. I don't know you. However, I can see attacks taking place where there shouldn't be any. Metal Man has not made any claim other than the material is unusual and worthy of further study. He has clearly stated his view on ufo's (as unidentified flying objects, nothing more) and of et's (possible, single celled or "critter"). He makes NO FURTHER CLAIMS and clearly spells out where he is SPECULATING. He has not cloaked or hidden any information he has presented. I did not see one instance where he claimed that ufo's were extraterrestrial spacecraft or that this material definitely came from same. Yet, repeatedly, responses directed towards him have tried to paint him in a corner and make it appear that he made such claims.

I welcome debate. If I suggest something is so, I expect to be called to the mat. Metal Man has not made any claim other than the material's properties are unusual - based on HIS experience.

Do some of you just like to stir the pot or scrap? It sure looks that way to me in this thread. My "gestalt" is that some of you are trying to appear intellectually superior by attacking everything from grammar and spelling to insinuation and distraction.

Attack the data, not the individual. I hear it often enough here, but I sure don't see it happening in this thread.

Metal Man asked a specific question regarding evidence of duplication of the material's visual appearance and properties. His questions have not been answered. That seems to be in violation of the rules of the board, if I'm not mistaken.

In closing, I am disgusted with some of the tactics used in this thread. Those of you who can do no better than attack grammar, spelling or the way someone talks should be, at the very least, censured. Those of you who take words and twist them should be banned, in my opinion. I thought personal attacks were a banning offense yet I set attack after attack, carefully done, couched in "logiceeze", but attacks nonetheless.

Metal Man, I don't know you, but you are wasting your time here. I say that with the kindest of intentions. I wish you the best of luck in your research endeavors in unlocking the mysteries of this object. I don't know what it is either, but it sure is interesting, isn't it?

And, for the record, I am going to stay away from the board a few days and cool off. If you need to contact me, please do so at:

wncranger at earthlink dot net

Thank you.

Sincerely,

wncranger

rwiggins - I think a few days off is a good call on your part. I am loathe to discuss this in public as it pertains to another forum member, but let it be said that I vehemently disagree with you. I won't censor your post (at least for now), but I do want to call your attention to the proper protocol for reporting any behaviour you find offensive or against forum rules:

16. Reporting Bad Posts

If you feel a post breaks one of these rules, please report it by clicking the 'report' button (the red triangle with the exclamation mark inside it, located at the top right hand side of every post). Do not talk about bad posts in the forum itself. All reported posts are reviewed by moderators or administrators, and are treated very seriously (so do not report frivolously). If you have concerns, please PM a moderator or administrator.

Upon your return, should you feel the need to pursue this further, please contact one of the moderators or administrators. Due to the deliberate ad hom presentation of your post, consider this a warning.

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I remember things somewhat differently, as from here:

Bob White recovered Material from a UFO.

As I read his various statements, he wasn't merely saying the material was unusual. He was claiming that the material wasn't man made and wasn't natural, which leaves . . . ? He was making the claim that it was not a messed up chunk of common aluminum alloy as was indicated in a lab report on the material. He had the burden of proof for this claim.

I see things somewhat differently, but this isn't the place to debate our perceptions. I will mention that, while I don't usually comment on grammar and spelling, in this case it was genuinely difficult to understand what he was trying to say.

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I just wanted to issue an apology for my outburst. No excuse on my part, just a bad, bad day. Won't let it happen again.

its kind of sad that you choose to quote you wifes example of it being metal cast from some piece of driftwood burned in a fire.
thats like saying on a science forum:
i think mars is made out of custard, cause my wife looked at it through the telescope and she said it reminds her of the custard she ate for lunch.
Oh but then you get serious....thankfully.
If this object really is just a piece of junk then I would like to know too, but the attempts at humor here seem to be less interesting then the object which seems to be getting a very unconvincing rejection here.

somebody mentioned not having good pictures of it.
here are some:
http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopict-54255.html
and rwiggins:
I think what you said was totally called for. Your apology only shows you are a thoughtful person, more then some here have shown.

Huh?? Unconvincing??

What's to reject?? The evidence that has been provided is laughable.

That's not my fault.

I think someone is trying to restart something.

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Here you go (I covered this some time ago in this thread):

Bob White recovered Material from a UFO.

Be sure to read through the linked report. It's your basic blob of aluminum alloy.

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Where's that from? I wanted to see context, but can't find it in the thread.
The huuugggee difference is that we have examples of planets, we have a basic understanding of how they are made, an we have many ways of determining their composition.
We know absolutely nothing about alien technology.
I am pretty convinced by explainations in this thread. Any suggestions how you would determine this?

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The first thing that jumped out at me as noteworthy:

Bob White appears to be claiming that the lab stole part of his chunk of metal without permission. His evidence is that the edges do not line up precisely.

This shows severe ignorance of the process of examining this sample. In order to cut the end off the chunk of metal, some sort of cutting mechanism had to be used, probably a saw. Anyone who has ever used a saw (say to cut a board) should immediately realize the problem - the saw removes some part of the sample and turns it into dust/debris/trash. That is how sawdust is formed in cutting wood. The missing piece that was "stolen" is the piece that was the thickness of the saw blade plus the grinding and polishing to create the mirror finish. This is mentioned in the NIDS report.

This is a very simple concept that should be "common sense". Somehow Bob White does not grasp this simple principle, even when it is stated in the NIDS report. He instead jumps to the conclusion that the lab has taken a piece without permission. This speaks of a paranoid mindset.

Whatever this object is, Bob White's credibility is suspect.

Kerf

For those who didn't understand the single word entry, it is the technical word for describing what Irishman was talking about.

Reference

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the boys at MIT dont think bob white is so laughable..

i love to hear such smart people sound so rightous..

keep up the good work..

and thanks for your continued support...

metal man

Who are "the boys at MIT" and what exactly do they have to say about Bob White's claims regarding the UFO that dropped this alien piece of material?

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Yes, please provide specifics (presumably something more than a claim on a web page).

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why should i provide you people with anything...your weak attempts at trying to humor yourselves at my expense is pure entertainment for me..

do your own work...ill do mine..

You're not obliged to provide details. But in that case, I feel free to translate "the boys at MIT" as the cleaning crew (with all respect for the cle