Mr Skipper talks a lot about spouts (water, liquid, whatever).

My gut says that it might not be so unusual...but have no science to back that up.

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Speaking of anomalies on Mars, here's one about a door on the D&M Cydonia pyramid. Interesting stuff there, complete with links to Mr. Carlotto and Mr. Hoagland.

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Does anyone suspect that NASA is tampering with the Rover images??? If not, why not, and if so, why?

No, of course not. NASA has only to gain funding and prestige by releasing images showing evidence for life on Mars.

But you say it would force them to "come clean" about UFOs? Why exactly would evidence for life on Mars make the case for UFOs? If it was microbial or animal, that has nothing to do with UFOs being real alien spacecraft.

On the other hand, if there's super-duper advanced Martian stuff there, why is NASA sending ever-more-capable spacecraft there, which would force them to edit an increasingly enormous amount of data to conceal it?

It makes no sense whatsoever. And those accusing NASA of a coverup on Mars are frankly crackpots (like Hoagland and his gibberish "hyperdimensional physics"), or simply haven't made the effort to learn enough about the subject and think things through.

P.S. John Mack a "skeptic"? LOL. He was a credophile who did a great amount of damage by walking his victims^H^H^H^H^H^H^H patients into a delusion, rather than helping them understand they had experienced a natural neurological phenomenon with cultural reinforcement. He was a quack.

What is this? Lake (?)

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_...9/M0901354.jpg

And this? Grass (?)

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_...9/R0903461.jpg

??? Tress ???

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_...6/R0600983.jpg

And...? A swamp and a lake (????)

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_...0/M1000628.jpg


I see that a lot of marsanomaly doesnt make any sense; but i really need an explanation of all these images, one by one. A real explanation of all of them.

I'll tell you what they are. They're pictures that are way too big for the format of this forum. Can you just link to them from somewhere? (Welcome, though.)

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"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Sorry for that.

Thanks for the welcome, this is my second post

Here are the links, from Nasa:



http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_...9/M0901354.jpg

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_...9/R0903461.jpg

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_...6/R0600983.jpg

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_...0/M1000628.jpg

So you know, you can edit posts, and that is what she was saying. If you would change the picture to a url in the first post so it isn't so big. Thanks.

Welcome to the forum!

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Edited, thanks for the welcome !!

Nope, thank you.

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I haven't found any other individual who puts as much effort into discussing, theorizing and discovering images like these, other than Mr Skipper. I would like to know of any official NASA or Malin hypotheses, if anyone finds them. Efrain Palermo takes a stab at the seepage looking images.
I am open minded about Mars, it sure is a place with some peculiar looking images, but no real answers yet.

And I still can't understand why NASA sent the two rovers Spirit and Opportunity to places so similar?
(but the Russians went to Phobos?)

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter should offer greater details of the surface of Mars ... in theory.

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Mr. Skipper presented the Spirit heat shield and Opportunity parachute(or was it the other way around?) as anomalies while failing to disclose that the same "anomalies" were published by Nasa as pictures of the said heat shield and parachute(obviously Nasa web site is where he gets his "evidence").

Later he defended this policy by saying he wanted people to make up their own conclusions. Sigh, that just about sums the guy up.

Yes...well.

Im still waiting for some scientific explanation for the links i posted , because i dont understand what they are.

Without knowing more information like where they are from, and what scale, most people would be guessing

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http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_...0/M1000628.jpg

This is the page for this image:

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_.../M1000628.html

Ancillary data for MOC narrow-angle image M10-00628
Acquisition parameters

Image ID (picno): M10-00628
Image start time: 1999-12-06T00:33:55.48 SCET
Image width: 1024 pixels
Image height: 3584 pixels
Line integration time: 0.7231 millisec
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.60
Crosstrack summing: 2
Downtrack summing: 2
Compression type: MOC-PRED-X-5
Gain mode: 4A (hexadecimal)
Offset mode: 14 (decimal)

Derived values

Longitude of image center: 291.50°W
Latitude of image center: 78.47°S
Scaled pixel width: 2.75 meters
Scaled image width: 2.83 km
Scaled image height: 15.82 km
Solar longitude (Ls): 257.68°
Local True Solar Time: 1.03 decimal hours
Emission angle: 0.15°
Incidence angle: 76.56°
Phase angle: 76.47°
North azimuth: 255.04°
Sun azimuth: 60.45°
Spacecraft altitude: 370.18 km
Slant distance: 370.18 km


http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_...9/M0901354.jpg

This is the page for this image:

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_.../M0901354.html


Ancillary data for MOC narrow-angle image M09-01354
Acquisition parameters

Image ID (picno): M09-01354
Image start time: 1999-11-05T19:10:54.68 SCET
Image width: 512 pixels
Image height: 2432 pixels
Line integration time: 0.4821 millisec
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.08
Crosstrack summing: 2
Downtrack summing: 2
Compression type: MOC-PRED-X-5
Gain mode: 4A (hexadecimal)
Offset mode: 30 (decimal)

Derived values

Longitude of image center: 292.28°W
Latitude of image center: 78.75°S
Scaled pixel width: 2.75 meters
Scaled image width: 1.41 km
Scaled image height: 7.25 km
Solar longitude (Ls): 238.52°
Local True Solar Time: 15.32 decimal hours
Emission angle: 0.23°
Incidence angle: 61.76°
Phase angle: 61.77°
North azimuth: 105.21°
Sun azimuth: 51.23°
Spacecraft altitude: 370.07 km
Slant distance: 370.08 km


http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_...9/R0903461.jpg

This is the page for this image:

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_.../R0903461.html

Ancillary data for MOC narrow-angle image R09-03461
Acquisition parameters

Image ID (picno): R09-03461
Image start time: 2003-09-25T20:21:25.96 SCET
Image width: 1024 pixels
Image height: 3200 pixels
Line integration time: 0.7231 millisec
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.52
Crosstrack summing: 2
Downtrack summing: 2
Compression type: MOC-PRED-X-5
Gain mode: 8A (hexadecimal)
Offset mode: 34 (decimal)

Derived values

Longitude of image center: 299.78°W
Latitude of image center: 82.65°S
Scaled pixel width: 2.89 meters
Scaled image width: 2.97 km
Scaled image height: 14.10 km
Solar longitude (Ls): 267.72°
Local True Solar Time: 15.63 decimal hours
Emission angle: 17.85°
Incidence angle: 60.74°
Phase angle: 46.64°
North azimuth: 113.78°
Sun azimuth: 56.01°
Spacecraft altitude: 371.81 km
Slant distance: 388.65 km


So,what are those images?

Somebody?

If you want to find out what experts think Martian features are, than look up or keep an eye out for ongoing research by the experts. For instance, see this topic:

Jets on Mars' south polar cap

which references an article on the Martian Southern ice cap.

Nobody here is a specialist in interpreting Martian surface features. Image interpretation, without the proper skills and extremely detailed knowledge of the subject, is doomed to failure.

Now, given Martian conditions, I can say that large bodies of open water are virtually impossible. Along similar lines, so are grass and trees.

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Disclaimer: Avatar is not an official NASA image and does not imply any specific interplanetary or interstellar capability.

The Leif Ericson Cruiser

Here's a Nasa explanation for the dark spots on the polar regions:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/main/index.html

And APOD's.

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Edited.

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_...9/M0901354.jpg

purely based on a quick scan, Orion, I believe the imaged area is in the higher latitudes ... and the "lake" is an ice field ...

I'll look at the others shortly, but I'm running late ...

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M0901354? Mars Global Surveyor MOC Image m0901354 - Browse Page Definitely high southern latitude:

Orion437 even supplied that: MOC narrow-angle image M09-01354

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Such as http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_.../R0903461.html were just in the news, Orion437, if you follow Mars Express developments. Decoding Mars’s Cryptic Region (And August 17 Nature magazine)

Good article and artist's interpretation of process: ASU Themis: Gas jets spawn dark 'spiders' and spots on Mars icecap (Same/similar to the APOD reference above.)

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Very interesting, didnt know about this, thank you.

for the confirmation ...
my dial-up connection is so slow, I only had time to download the image, look at it quickly ... jump to a conclusion ... and then run away ...

I still haven't done any more than that ... sorry ... I've been in another discussion about plate tectonics and extinctions ...

I will try and get back to the other images ... but I'm confident that other enthusiasts will likely beat me to the punch ...

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Found this.

Yes, we've talked about this before. Clarke is a good science fiction writer that is given to speculation. I recall where he speculated that relativistic jets were artificial.

By the way, please provide a discription with your link next time.

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Disclaimer: Avatar is not an official NASA image and does not imply any specific interplanetary or interstellar capability.

The Leif Ericson Cruiser

Heh, this reminds me of when I read Jules Verne's "From the Earth to the Moon" for the first time, where Michel Ardan, Barbicane and Capt. Nicholl especulated on the possibility of life in the moon based on images that supposedly suggested plant life seasonal changes...

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