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It proves these woo woo's are nuts...

Just to clarify, are these people actually insinutating that the pilot of AA77 was the one who intentionally fired a missile at and then flew a plane into the Pentagon and that it might not have been AA77 that he was flying at all but a military plane and that he did it so that the Pentagon could study the effects of a missile and plane strike on the Pentagon?


My head hurts now.

Factoid: The F4 has a wingspan of about 57 feet.

The vetical stabilizer is low and broad when seen from the side. It's not even close to the outline they drew to make it "clear". If I recall (factoid), the total height of the F4 is 16 ft 10 inches, that's parked on the ground. This one is laughable at best.

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The F-4 is also very recognizable and no one would have mistaken it for an airliner. It was also out of service by that time.

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I think you mean 27 feet.
27 feet folded and 38 feet spread. (my mistake)

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Heh, I knew I should have looked it up. I debated whether that was the length or not. Then I thought I remembered the length as 63 feet. Turns out that for the E anf RF variants, with 57 the length of the others. So much for memory. I guess I'm getting old.

In any case, still way too narrow to hit all those light poles.

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Don't worry about it, since I had a 'senior moment' trying to correct you!

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No Problem. We still have them on service. As the german Luftwaffe is getting rid of them now (they get replaced by the Eurofighter Typhoon) maybe we gave one for free. ;-)

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Naw, the German armed forces weren't permitted to serve abroad at the time.....

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Okay, okay, Mr. Contractor...you can have an extension of time under clause 25 but forget the consequent direct loss and expense under clause 26 - I mean, hell, I thought it was obvious that the foundations went under the walls but there you go.....

...now, I need a clause 13A quote for C4 coated rebar, please.

Now for this evening's entertainment: The Trouble with Steven E. Jones' 9/11 Research

I thought I'd seen everything 9/11 conspiracists had to offer. I was wrong. I couldn't stop laughing. It confirms my belief that one can never underestimate the intelligence of 9/11 conspiracists.

Wait till you get to the photo with this caption:

"Figure 27(b): For national security and privacy reasons, the government has not yet shown this evidence of the Shanksville plane crash."

Don't peek ahead!

Erm, a 'Scalar Interferometer' made it all turn to dust! hhm! come back Dr Jones, all is forgiven

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I hesitate to bring this up but I do remember where some F-4s are still flying. They use them as drones for target practice by the F-15 and F-22 students at Tyndall AFB. And yes that means they fly them remotely as well.

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So this guy says that the planes werent even there? but some kind of secret 'Scalar Interferometer vapourized everything?

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I'm going to regret saying this, but IIRC the German Airforce maintains a base at Dulles Airport...

(The sound of cogs whirring in CT's heads...)

Right, and the lack of damage if fire were set to a tree. Alert the media; they can stop fighting fires now, as it doesn't hurt anything.

Except possibly my brain; I'm sure there's tissue damage due to this thing. But I'm going to read it all. Prepare the trauma team.

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I quite liked the roadrunner bit. Usually we just have CT's claiming that the planes should have left plane outlines. He goes the full hog claiming that the socalled "outlines" on the WTC prove that planes didn't hit them, but then totally jumps all over his own WTC argument by then claiming that the small hole without any outline proves that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

Well while I'd suggest he look closer at the WTC and he'll find that the wings broke the outer surface but most of the impact area damage is confined to heavy structure, a lot of the "hole" is merely the removal of the aluminum cover and blackening of the steel beneath, the steel columns aren't broken, I do find it rather interesting that within a few paragraphs he literally argues...

1) Outlines prove no planes hit WTC
2) No Outlines prove no plane hit Pentagon.

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Also I do wonder about people that claim Flight 93 was just a round hole in the ground and no evidence that it was a plane. I guess they have never bothered looking at the pictures, like this one, even hosted on a conspiracy site.

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The 9/11 truth movement does not know that Dr. Jones is right, Aluminum can not be yellow,Orange, or red in air, the oxide coating on aluminum, can be yellow, Orange, Red, blood red, green, Black, Grey, or blue in air.
Aluminum Oxide is a cheap materials would anyone care to send me a sample, form England the Black one in the Crown at the tower of London would work just nicely.
You can send me the whole crown if you wish, I will return the metals and other stones I am only interested in the Aluminum Oxide crystals for Science.

The 9/11 truth movement does not know that Dr. Jones is right, Aluminum can not be yellow,Orange, or red in air

So you are saying that if you take a piece of aluminum and heat it to 1,000°C it won't glow?

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Okay, I read the whole thing, and I'm quite frankly stunned.

Here's a thought that person ought to consider. Why would you bother going to look for a witness if you had one on hand, right there? As to his flat delivery, there's this condition called "shock" that ought to be looked into . . . .

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Not pure Aluminum it will explode, the aluminum oxide however will glow and since aluminum oxide always covers aluminum in air the thicker the oxide the stronger the color at lower temperatures. If you add just a little bit of rust it will glow blood red, if you add copper oxide it will glow green.
You might be aware of the type of Aluminum oxide used in lasers, it causes the red light in the laser scanning devices.
You know the Ruby red color of the beam.

I'm going to regret saying this, but IIRC the German Airforce maintains a base at Dulles Airport...

Actually, it's at Holloman AFB in New Mexico. The Luftwaffe training center was established there in order to take advantage of the year-round flying weather.

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Not pure Aluminum it will explode

Hmmm.....

Care to explain these Images then? (is it ironic for people in S4T911 to be proving Dr Jones wrong?)

Or how about this one?

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I'm only about 3/4 through this thing. It's tough going but I can do it. Whether I can do it without calling this guy a loon remains to be seen.

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I'm only about 3/4 through this thing. It's tough going but I can do it. Whether I can do it without calling this guy a loon remains to be seen.

I think he actually started off quite well with his debunking of Jones, but he should have quit while he was ahead instead of trailing into some sort of cartoon wonderland.

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Simple Aluminum Oxide is covering the Aluminum in those pictures do you remember the bright white flashes created when the planes hit the World trade centers, that was pure Aluminum in air. What Dr Jones forgot is that Aluminum is not a good black body radiation source, but Aluminum Oxide is.
Aluminum even in solid form turns to Aluminum Oxide instantly when exposed to air, that is why it does not corrode away the Oxide protects it.
http://www.aps.anl.gov/Science/Highl...n_aluminum.htm
Do you think it is a coincidence that the page at 9/11 truth comes out the same week that I email Dr. Greening pictures of red Aluminum Oxide in air?
They by the way are talking about going back to the Micro Atomic bomb theory I do not think I will waste my time on that one.
Any body want to play with Micro Nuclear devices in your back yard?

Aluminum even in solid form turns to Aluminum Oxide instantly when exposed to air

I guess that means that when I did an experiment in my second year at high school where we removed the oxide layer from a strip of aluminium by Anodised it for dying I must have been dreaming.... oh hang on here's the experiment. The anodising in acid removed the oxide layer so the dye can be added to the metals surface and a new oxide layer created over it. If this was instantaneous, how could you get the dye under it, as soon as you removed the metal from the acid, it'd oxidise again.

By the way, the metal shown in the pictures I refered to are doing more than glowing on the outer suface, it's especially obvious in the flowing ones that the metal is glowing because otherwise it would have streaks of silver where the oxide wasn't yet.

Do you think it is a coincidence that the page at 9/11 truth comes out the same week that I email Dr. Greening pictures of red Aluminum Oxide in air?

When did you mail him?

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is it ironic for people in S4T911 to be proving Dr Jones wrong?

Reynolds' and Wood's names have disappeared from the membership list. Is anyone surprised?

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I was going to say he contradicted himself by talking about how unlikely it would be to wire thermite throughout the buildings but I guess he believes in some kind of mini nuke and that the planes didn't really crash into the buildings but it was all fake film and CNN, as well as every other news agency, was in on the plot and running feeds faked by the government...or something. That nobody actually saw the planes because they were moving too fast to be seen by looking up between the buildings, despite people in the Battery and dozens or hundreds of other places besides between the buildings being able to see and film the second one quite clearly. What a loon.

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