So, no, then, you couldn't?

My friend Heather refers to things like this as making her brain smooth--instead of increasing the wrinkles, like things that stimulate your brain do. I just think the whole thing's a sad state of affairs, that people are willing to create such tortured logic (how many paid actors were there in lower Manhattan that day?) rather than accept that maybe, just maybe, the government could actually be telling the truth once in a while.

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My dads hobby is Model Engineering, In his workshop he casts Aluminium, Brass and Iron. His furnace gets the Aluminium glowing orange, I guess I must be seeing things as well. When it pours it isnt an oxide he is pouring.

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NO the oxide glows red the aluminum white, as it burns in air. the two produce yellow or orange, The oxide instantly formed on the strip of Aluminum, when it was taken from the acid.

However the crystals were not fully formed the acid only broke the bonds between the crystals, the dye flows in and is locked into the Crystal lattice, changing the color of the aluminum.
It says so in the experiment.

You are not coloring the aluminum just the Oxide layer.
If you expose aluminum to air it burns, white hot every time it only glows reddish or yellow because of the Oxide Coating.

I Emailed Dr. Greening the pictures last Tuesday, I also Emailed the Scholars and Dr. Jones also.
I informed Mr. Mark Ferran about a month ago.
Also aluminum can not burn in air unless the temperature of the aluminum is higher than the temperature of the melting point of the Oxide or it has a transportation mechanism for the transportation of Oxygen inside the oxide coating.
I have found that a mixture of steel and aluminum work well as a transportation medium, but that Iron and Aluminum do not work as well, but will also do it to a limited extent.
The Aluminum is actually getting Oxygen from the same way we do, the rusting of Iron into Iron Oxide.
It happens in your lungs every day.
I believe the metal coming out of the towers is a mixture, of Aluminum, Aluminum Oxide, Iron oxide, steel, and carbon. I have gotten similar results to the actions of the metal, in the pictures with only those elements.
I think the sand blasting effect of the fuel air blast and the effects of the fires created it.

http://www.eh.doe.gov/techstds/stand.../hbk1081d.html

Aluminum
The usual forms of aluminum have a sufficiently high ignition temperature so that its burning is not a factor in most fires. However, very fine chips and shavings are occasionally subject to somewhat the same type of combustion as described for magnesium. Powdered or flaked aluminum in its pure form can ignite spontaneously in air and can be explosive in air.

The oxide forms over the top of the molten aluminum as it is poured that is what forms the color you see. If the oxide did not protect the metal you father could not pour it at all, not without a death wish.
I have personally witness an aluminum fireball in air, I do not want to see another one!

I think u make this up as you go along!

Most things will combust if divided into a fine enough powder, why do u think Flour Mills explode?

had enough of this bye

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I think the Space shuttle, was shot out of the air by the Klingons then or was it the Romulans are you actually serious?
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=7 http://www.911review.com/errors/phantom/flash.html

Well, the metal components of the Orbiter wing didn't need to burn for the wing to fail when exposed to the plasma stream. Whether it burned or simply softened/melted and failed under aerodynamic load.

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True but Molten Aluminum has always been known to ignite in air as long as it is below the melting level of the Aluminum oxide it is safe.
Work with it above that level and it is not. It is simply strongly attracted to Oxygen one of the most strongly attracted metals to Oxygen Known.
You can not work with it with out the oxide forming to protect it.

I'm afraid that they do have a presence at IAD. I used to fly through there every now and again, and recall seeing it, though perhaps "base" may be stretching it a bit. Sadly I couldn't pin find many online references to it (spooky... ) other than part way down this page and some guy on Craig's List wanting to track down a ticket to the Oktoberfest celebrations there.

Back to that website, this has to be my favorite bit.

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Hello everyone.

I am new to this forum and, frankly, only stumbled upon it while researching this nutty conspiracy theory. My 14-year-old son heard about it recently and I thought I'd "google" around to see what he was talking about.

<a href="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june01/dollars_2-12.html">According to the transcripts from this interview the much-ballyhooed missing 2.3 trillion was know about and reported on at least as early as February of 2001.</a> Considering Bush didn't even take office until late January of 2001, I find it hard to believe that "Rumsfeld's" pentagon not only lost 2.3 trillion, but had it discovered in an audit in less than one month. Do you honestly think Rumsfeld plotted to have 3,000 American citizens murdered to cover up money that was apparently lost on Clinton's watch?

Pretty much only those who cannot see the issue logically believe this...

"Pretty much only those who cannot see the issue logically believe this.." Believe what -- the conspiracy theory or my refutation of it?

I just wanted to take a moment to say a bog "Welcome Aboard!" to soccermom!

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The conspiracy theory. The vast majority of us here agree with you; it's nutty. There are a number of threads regarding 9/11 here, but the "missing money" gets glossed over on both sides. I haven't seen that link* before, so thanks for putting it out there.

Welcome to the board, by the way.

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That's one of the, um, dampest welcomes I've ever seen!

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Hello everyone.

Hi. Welcome to the board.

I am new to this forum and, frankly, only stumbled upon it while researching this nutty conspiracy theory. My 14-year-old son heard about it recently and I thought I'd "google" around to see what he was talking about.

You came to a good place. We don't give conspiracists a free ride to indulge their fantasies here.

According to the transcripts from this interview the much-ballyhooed missing 2.3 trillion was know about and reported on at least as early as February of 2001. Considering Bush didn't even take office until late January of 2001, I find it hard to believe that "Rumsfeld's" pentagon not only lost 2.3 trillion, but had it discovered in an audit in less than one month. Do you honestly think Rumsfeld plotted to have 3,000 American citizens murdered to cover up money that was apparently lost on Clinton's watch?

Most of the regulars here don't believe any members of the Administration plotted it for that or any other reason. (Not to speak for Lurker, for example, but he was talking about the conspiracists not seeing the issue logically.) And that is not, despite the wearisomely routine accusations of the conspiracists, because we're all mindless Bush supporters. Many people here are not American, and a significant number of us who are have... let's just say very negative opinions of this Administration and its policies. Beyond that is a political discussion which is beside the point and outside the scope of this forum.

The important thing is that political beliefs - left, right, libertarian, whatever - are not what drives our examination of these issues. It's what can be supported with facts, evidence, sound and consistent logic.

Nor do we refrain from correcting those with whom we agree - unlike the mutual admiration and support societies (I can think of some coarser descriptions which would get me banned) which the conspiracists are used to. For example, it doesn't make sense to say that $2.3 trillion was lost "on Clinton's watch". Let's look at the numbers: DoD budgets ranged from about $250 billion (that's 10^9, for non-US members) to about $280 billion from 1992-1998, and IIRC Clinton's last budget gave DoD about $300 billion. That means for the amount to have been "lost on Clinton's watch", all defense expenditures would had to have been "lost", meaning that we paid no military salaries, bought no planes or ships or guns or bombs or humvees or staplers or boots, and all our planes, helicopters, ships and subs sat motionless for 8 years. I think someone would have noticed.

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" For example, it doesn't make sense to say that $2.3 trillion was lost "on Clinton's watch". " Agreed. I didn't mean to say that with any serious blame of Clinton -- I was just pointing out that the whole theory defies logic when you look at the timing. "Losing money" in the federal government isn't really a partisan issue -- it is a bureaucracy issue. That said, I am a partisan person. I thank all of you for your welcome, but don't anticipate hanging around much because I'm not much for conspiracy theories. Like I said, I just found this site by googling this particular subject. My son, on the other hand, loves conspiracy theories, so I might refer him here, assuming the forum is appropriate for kids.

BTW -- I like the Colbert tag line.

Thanks!

And we work very hard to make this board kid friendly!

Also, we have all sorts of astonomy type stuff here as well as the conspiracy stuff. "Come for the conspiracy, stay for the stars!"

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I thank all of you for your welcome, but don't anticipate hanging around much because I'm not much for conspiracy theories.

Good for you. Although reading the conspiracists' stuff is fascinating in a gruesome, abnormal-psychology-experiment kind of way.

My son, on the other hand, loves conspiracy theories, so I might refer him here, assuming the forum is appropriate for kids.

This board is appropriate for kids who want to learn something. The "behavioral" rules here basically boil down to no swearing, no religious/political debates, no personal attacks, and you must back up your claims. For some reason, most conspiracists - especially 9/11 conspiracists - are simply unable to comply with these rules for very long.

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