I think this man needs some debunking.

You do? If what you say is half true, he pretty much debunks himself.

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That is exactly what I thought reading that post.

Telepathy?

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Telepathy?

Just great minds thinking alike I fear.

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No doubts there.
But I wonder if this pseudo astrophysic jerk patrick geryl isn't even worth debunking. He has a website where he describes his "fantastic" discoveries. It is of course:
www.howtosurvive2012.com
What else could it be...
I hate doomsayers, I just hate them, I dispise them, they should all be arrested and kept in dungeons. They should suffer for what they do to faint hearted people. Even if they're right with some of their claims.
I would love to see someone pointing out the nonsense that patrick geryl tells.

Well, it's not too long until 2012, so we should (hopefully) be rid of that particular insanity after that.

I can hope, can't I?

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Somehow I think that the lot of them being killed by low flying pigs is slightly more likely. On or not long before or after the 'end' of the Maya clandar they will suddently realise that the Mayan's had it all wrong and they should be infact looking at the widely known to be prefectly reliable Djelibeybian calandar, and wonder of wonders it puts doomsday just far enough away that if you buy their book for the limited time reduced price of $19.99 you will be able to construct a shelter out of llama spit and banana leaves that will be able to protect you from the Terrible Things that will happen.

Blasphemer! A proper Djelibeybian hovel is constructed from camel spit! Camel spit and sand--and you will like it!

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In the meanwhile, I found something that might be the origin of the pole shift The Great Liquidator. It is mysteriously called "Earth Crustal Displacement". Proposed by Charles Hapgood, a self-proclaimed geologist, it was an attempt to explain the climate changing 12 000 BP. Main arguments:
- frozen mammoths with permafrost plants in their stomachs
- disastrous climate change in Siberia and Alaska
- some garbage about hot Arctic Sea
- generally mass rapid extinctions

The idea has been fully dismissed, proven to be completely wrong. There was no sudden freezing, no continents movement etc.
http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.ph...article&sid=48

But the idea is of course still alive and very well. After doing some research, I've come into conclusion that one of the main, or the main argument of doomsayers about pole shift (that it happened also 11,500 ago) is the supposed alignment of three Giza Pyramids with Orion constellation (three stars... I'm no expert). It is said that they would align with the pyramids 10,500 years ago (in fact they would 12,000 years ago). But then there is another problem, the pyramides are upside down as compared to the stars.

The solution is easy Doomsayers know that - the Earth was all upside down and rotating in another direction when the pyramids were built. OR, the pyramids were built later but from plans left by Atlantisians (or whatever). There you go, everything's clear.

By the way, the site Hall of Maat, which I gave link to above, is a very good one. It reveals the pseudoscience and misconceptions about ancient times.

Anyone want to hear my story? Anyone? Well I'm gonna tell it anysay, so nya!

A week or so ago I read that Einstein's Thoery of Specific Relativity is wrong, so I naturally started searching for why that may be. I found a website about it, and attached to the bottom was an article about the great debate over evolution. Religious creation vs. Darwin's theory. The article told each sides story, and then said they were both wrong, and evolution is a result of POLAR REVERSALS. Cosmic rays kill of many species, and mutate the survivors, leading to the great variation of species we see today (Although if that was true the mutated offspring would have no chance of survival, and probably wouldn't be able to reporduce). This piqued my curiosity, so I went on to read about this Cosmic Ray, Earth rotation changing, earthquake, tsunami apololypse, and what I read scared the hell out of me, I was nearly afraid to go outside. Any way, after the initial shock I continued to pursue more information about it, as such catastrophic events occuring so often makes life seem impossible. After doing some foruming I have come to the conclusion that a polar reversal isn't all that bad, and is infact necessary for our future survival.

Google seemed to turn up nothing but doomsday predictions and the entire human race perishing, due to the suicides after the carastrophe. After about 10 different combinations I found a Wikipedia definition, and that sealed the deal, if anyone is unsure or frightened like I was, just read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

P.S. Sorry for being offtopic

Yeah, your story is very similar to mine.

Rincewind is the one who should be scared stiff about a pole reversal. As I understand it, he'd fall off! (But it wouldn't be the first time...)

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Just a quick thought:
Today I read on a local Internet news portal, that a mammoth tooth and probably whole skeleton has been discovered here in Poland. Of course it's not the first time. If Hapgood's shifting cataclysm (popular pole shift) was true, then the supposed giant tidal wave wouldn't leave whole skeletons lying on the ground or let the mammoths freeze in a short time after death. The unimaginable force and pressure in such a wave would tear the bodies apart or at least severely deformate them so we wouldn't find even one full skeleton, am I right? Or not. Please answer.

You are on the right track.

If the physical poles shifted within anything resembling historical time the Earth itself would basically be reconstituted. Which is to say, would be largely molten by the time the flip was complete, and have to start the whole solid surface, atmosphere, liquid water routine from scratch.

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And if the physical poles shifted a bit but did not reverse? Is it pseudoscientific nonsense to claim that it happened 11,500 years ago? I read that it would be totally impracticable.
And , I read that there is evidence that something like that happened many millions of years ago, but wasn't sudden anyway.
Let's finish this thread with a summation.

To sum up:
There is no evidence that the climatic changes that characterize the transition from interglacial to glacial periods in the past (especially the Last Glacial Maximum) were caused by some crustal displacements (pole shifts) or rapid changes in Earth's rotation and the supposed results of those two, like giant tsunamis, titanic Earthquakes, massive volcano eruptions , severe hurricanes etc. all over the world. That would require one of the worst mass extinctions ever (a sudden one); and there is absolutely NO evidence of it.

On the contrary, The CLIMAP Project (1981) reconstructed climatic zones during the Last Glacial Maximum and the results obtained shows the North and South Poles (and the equator) in the same position as today. Paleontological data reveals that the Arctic Ocean has continuously experienced polar climates, almost permanent ice cover and glacio-marine sedimentation for all of the Late Cenoziac since the mid-Pleistocene.
Earth’s lithosphere is attached to the mantle in such a way as to make Earth Crustal Displacement (pole shift) impracticable.
Finally, there is no paleomagnetic evidence for a pole shift having occurred.

The Pole Shift theory has been proposed in 1960's, it has been examined and rejected by the scientific community. There are better mechanisms to explain the climate changes in the past. No reputable source (an example - NOAA)mentions the possibilty of a pole shift.

There are no flash-frozen mammoths, if it is any argument for a pole shift. All of them showed signs of decay.
There was no worldwide flood 11,500 years ago.
Some of the species died out, but some adapted to new climatic conditions.
People migrated to more habitable sites, they were not killed by giant tsunamis.

For believers of Edgar Cayce, he predicted a pole shift for years 1958 - 1998, so not a sudden one. And he did wrong.
For believers of Mayan Calendar. The Mayans didn't predict a pole shift. There is no reason whatsover to expect a pole shift, please don't worry about it. And where there is evidence of pole shifts in the far, far distant past, many many millions of years ago, it is clear that it wasn't a sudden event anyway. So, all woo woo claims about End of the Maya Long Count are rubbish, those are not Maya myths but myths about Maya.
And by the way, Nibiru was a Babilonian name for a north star, probably Mercury or Jupiter (or something to that effect), it has nothing to do with Maya.

I particularly like those flash-frozen mammoths, tho.

Anyone care to speculate just what Physics (skip the meteorology and climatology) could freeze a mammoth solid before he could even fall over? How exactly does this much chilled air move in without shredding the poor beast like a shockwave, and how can chilled air alone carry away the heat of a large wooly mammal within a handful of seconds? Wouldn't, like the internal conduction of heat be slower than that?

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didnt you see the film "the day after tomorrow? Obviously he took his physics from that!

Ah, those poor flash-frozen mammoths with fresh green grass in their jaws. Don't you know they were victims of terrible geomagnetic storms after a severe sun flare?

Silly stuff, all right.

Now let me get back to my chores. Papa wants me to bring in another pail of air....

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According to records shown by rocks influenced by magnetic fields the poles change a couple of times every million years (on average), however one configuration can last many millions of years. We don't know what causes a geomagnetic reversal, but there is a theory is simply flips when the current field weakens to a certain point. If that's true then there's still quite a long time till the next flip (maybe in 5000 A.D). But like I said, we don't KNOW what may cause a flip, seeing as the time period between flips is extremely varied and random.

The field also has appeared to almost flip several times before, after which it returns to full strength and keeps going for another million years.

Anyone hear about what killed all the Dinosaurs? That's right, a pole reversal!!
A super sunflare shot forth as the poles flipped and microwaved earth and it's inhabitants until we were nice and crispy, leaving a bunch of dead Dinosaurs, but miraculously sparing most other species. Also, this theory has been used to explain evolution, when the poles flip we get bombarded by cosmic radiation and either die or mutate. The problem there is that when DNA is scrambled, you can't just have kids, especially if it's to the extent of cosmic radiation, with the ionization and the neutron's causing atomic instability and all. Anyone remember the Chernobyl disaster, multiply that by 10, and make it global. Yeah, who's gonna survive that huh?

It seems the last reversal to occur was during the time of our forespecies, homoerectus, or something like that (the one right before homosapien) survived through two of these unchanged, and the first observed human fossils are about 400 000 years after the last predicted reversal (the one we're in now).

Ever since the pole reversal theory came out people have seemed to prophesise doom and gloom for all species on earth, but the raw fact is humanity has never been NEAR a reversal, all we have to study past ones are pointy rocks, not really great stuff. In closing, the next reversal doesn't really concern us, as it's too far away, and to unpredictable to prepare for. Enjoy life and if you suddenly die, blame it on a polar reversal!!

Do you have any evidence that a pole reversal caused the extinction of the dinosaurs or that they lead to an increase in mutations?

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The major theories for their extinction are:

The asteroid impact that caused the well known Chixulub Crater, and/or possibly several other smaller ones that occoured around the same time.

Volcanic activity from the Deccan Taps, which may have been trigggered by an asteroid impact (though opinions are divided over whether the Shiva Crater is an impact crater or not).

Or a small possibility of a nearby supernova, though this is generally considered to be disproven due to a lack of evidence.

Also according to this chart there wasn't a geomagnetic revesal around the time the dinosaurs became extinct.
Except that there aren't any significant extinctions associated with geomagnetic reversals which implies that they don't have anyhting like the biological effects are you are proposing. Though that doesn't mean that one wouldn't have the potential to cause problems for human civilisation, our dependance on electronic devices, which are both more sensetive to radiation than biological systems and at risk of disruption due to changes in the enviroment, mean that it is possible that one would significantly disrupt civilisation.

Yiou mean the fact that magnetic fields don't affect microwaves aren't a factor in your rebutal at all Grashtel?

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I hadn't noticed that he had used the term "microwaved" until you pointed it out. Although I don't think that he was using the term literally, just in the sense of the dinosaurs being cooked by radiation rather than microwaves actually being involved.

Although I don't think that he was using the term literally

You'd be surprised, it's a common belief that the VA Belts "shield" us from microwave and other non-particle radiation. Even the movie The Core had beams of microwaves zapping things when the magnetic field died.

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Actually I probably wouldn't (my opinion of the average inteligence of humanity is very low), though in this case the way he phrased it suggests to me that he was using "microwaved" as a generic term for being cooked by high levels of radiation, though I could be wrong of course.

Guys, I just want to point out a lot of that was theory and sarcasm. I'm just putting forward what people have blamed on pole-reversals, I don't really believe most of it!! SARCASM PEOPLE!

P.S. I was using microwaved figuratively and literally, there would be microwaves flying around, but I don't think everything would be cooked like a potato by them

Sorry, but it didn't seem that way. You might want to throw in one of these next time. So what parts of that are sarcasm and what parts do you believe (you say you don't really believe most of it)?

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You have to understand, Nanotrex, that there is pretty much no idea so ridiculous we haven't had someone espouse it in all seriousness. Our collective sarcasm meter's a little off.

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Guys, I just want to point out a lot of that was theory and sarcasm.

Problem is with a new poster we can't tell. trust me, there are people who would have posted that entirely seriously and gotten upset if we laughed. Because we don't know you yet and so know your posting style and beliefs it was better to take you are serious.

However having said that, welcome to the board, and warn us next time.

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