If the main proponents of this whole belief are so confident that NASA is going so far as killing people to keep the whole thing under wraps then:

A: why isn't all of FOX suspended from the air for airing their little special?
B: why don't the people in my classes who believe the conspiracy theory all get arrested? They've voiced their opinions enough.
C: why haven't people like Sibrel (that the right spelling?) been arrested or assasinated yet?

*shrugs* just wondering where they get their logic.

What is this 'logic' you speak of?

Ikea!

Sibrel has made claims to being harassed and drugged by the CIA and other such things, but there is no substantiation of this.

This is one of the huge contradictions prevalent in the Conspiracy Theory. The other biggun is how NASA could fool the world's leading scientists into believing their story and yet couldn't get a reseau grid right.

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Guess I should've known they wouldn't be using any logic whatsoever. Now, I just need to convince the people in my class...

Nah, they're not fooled. They've just been paid off. Or blackmailed - since everyone knows that NASA controls all the world's telescopes. (You don't think the ESA is really a separate organization, do you?)

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My 16-year old cousin comes to my house. I quote approximately (and I kid you not):

"My science teacher gave us us a project to determine why we never went to the moon. He showed us some FOX special he had taped. It was pretty cool. Can I show you this book I got for the project? It's by that guy on the show, Kaysing. It's called "We Never Went to the Moon".

I start to reply.
"Do you know who...."

He interrupts:
"I also found this cool website where I bought this video that some guy was selling. I'll get it on Monday.... My science teacher really shows us some cool stuff."

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I've had similar occurances, but not with the Moon Hoax.

We lift our prayers to Cynthia for you, BigJim. At the end of the day, it's none of my business, but I'd have words with the teacher. The job of a teacher is to increase the level of learning, not destroy it. Suggest you're cousin come here. Give us five minutes and we'll sort him out.

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If the main proponents of this whole belief are so confident that NASA is going so far as killing people to keep the whole thing under wraps ...

A number of conspiracy theorists have been asked that very question. The answers tend to fall into three categories:

"I'm too high-profile to murder." (And astronauts aren't?)
"There are forces inside NASA who want the agency to come clean about Apollo." (And why couldn't those other victims?)
"But the government does harass and persecute me." (But you're still alive and still publishing books.)

Obviously you've hit upon a major contradiction in the conspiracy theory. There doesn't seem to be any explanation for the alleged murder of people who were merely "about to reveal" (according to the conspiracy theorist) the hoax, and those who publish and speak prolificly about the hoax who manage to stay alive. Clearly the proferred "explanations" for the deaths of these individuals are not exceptionally plausible.

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My 16-year old cousin comes to my house.

You really should find out what the teacher is trying to do. My experience is that even public school teachers are smarter than this. It's likely to be some sort of didactic technique or lesson in critical thinking. I've worked with a number of students that age who are participating in debates where one student is assigned the "pro" hoax point of view and another is assigned to defend against the hoax.

Obviously there's a danger in presenting pseudoscience with any semblance of approval in a classroom, but I'll bet this is a ploy to get bored students interested in science. Before you hurt your forehead any further, go see if there's a method to this madness.

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Now, I just need to convince the people in my class...

Who's got the link to the Metro-whatever article? That's a good example of a largely non-scientific debunking of the hoax theory.

A lot of this garbage can be debunked by common sense, along the lines of, "If NASA is willing to kill people to keep its secret, why are you still alive?"

Here's the best approach for people who don't want to delve deeply into the science. The moon landing conspiracy theory is mostly about drawing attention away from a conclusion most people believe is obvious. It's less about presenting evidence for itself than it is about trying to get you not to believe in someone else's evidence. It's mostly about trying to find excuses for disregarding what you can observe, or what other people have said and done.

So if people have to work so hard to avoid a particular conclusion -- that Apollo really did happen -- it makes you wonder which is really more likely.

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If I had been given a task like this way back in high school, I would have probably attacked the book and the program with information that I could readily get at a decent library. (I date myself a bit here, no internet for me) I wonder if that is the teacher's aim. To see if any student will look beyond two references to find the real truths. I wish I could have had such an interesting thing to write about in science class.


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That would be the best teacher ever.

Actually, I have a fourth reason why BS and other have not been killed. It suits NASA for them to spout their theories because they are a bad example of true hoax theory. That is to say, there is a conspiracy behind the conspiracy. BS and others do not have the correct facts on many of the hoax issues therefore by letting them remain alive and run loose, it appears to many therefore that there is nothing to the hoax idea since they are a bad advertisement to HBers. However, under the publicly seen arguments of the hoax, there is a deeper mystery. That is, there is another layer beneath what is currently being seen...

An interesting idea. Since September 9th, Bart Sibrel has become an object of scorn. He caused a minor backlash that hindered the case of the conspiracists.

That perhaps Sibrel and Percy are conspiring to take unsuspecting people's money?

Maybe they then have the wrong facts about the assassinations and therefore this whole argument about NASA death squads is moot.

Of course the logic is deliciously tautological.
Conspiracists killed => hoax.
Conspiracists not killed => hoax.

And what would that be, Rusty?

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That the Apollo landings really, truly happened!!

That's insidious!

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Actually, I have a fourth reason why BS and other have not been killed. It suits NASA for them to spout their theories because they are a bad example of true hoax theory.

They are the only example of the hoax theory. So your argument is that despite all the duplicity, despite all the ignorance, despite all the fallacy and illogic, they're still somehow right. Excuse me while I horse laugh my saddle off. You're like the prosecutor who, despite even his own witnesses having exonerating the accused, still insists on a guilty verdict. Did you graduate from the same public communications school as the former Iraqi information minister?

The hoax theory, on its face, is pure speculation. And it's not even logically sound speculation. You're trying to fix the extreme breakage of the theory by adding another layer of speculation. That's exactly the wrong direction. If you have to come up with conjectural reasons why your previous conjecture isn't even consistent with itself, then you're in a world of hurt.

The conclusion that much better fits the observations is that there is no "NASA death squad" and that NASA does little about the conspiracy theorists because they're confident in most people's ability to see them for the misinformed charlatans that they are.

However, under the publicly seen arguments of the hoax, there is a deeper mystery.

Yeah, the "deeper conspiracy" is a bunch of sneaky snake-oil salesmen fleecing the gullible. That's the mystery I see, and it's pretty obvious. Tell me, Rusty, are you one of the gullible?

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I just get the giggles whenever I hear the term "NASA death squad".

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