Check this one out


http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/featu...stanceid=49701

I want to know more about "California's Propulsion Field Laboratory."

And note that the moonwalks were filmed in Quebec - those %#$%^ Canucks were in it all along!

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Did anyone else have weird music play when you visited the site, and persist even after you close it?

Not me. Maybe you got a pop-up ad that went to the back?

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Speaking of Weekly World News, a couple of weeks ago the top headline blasted out that "Oil found on Moon. Price of gas to drop to 10 cents a gallon". Now maybe with a really really long pipeline and , Nah. Anyway I thought oil was a fossil fuel and since life never existed on the moon. Well just a thought.

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We had a thread on that oil on the moon claim, but I can't seem to find it.
The Weekly World News is known worldwide for its accuracy and Kaysing should be proud to be printed in it, especially since it has such claims as "Baby with Three Heads Born", "Missing Link Found," "Next Great Depression Coming in September," and "Screams of the Dead Heard by Hubble from Black Hole!"

Hey, watch who you're calling a %#$%^, you %#$%^! :P

Filmed in Québec? Bwa! Ha! Ha! This reminds me of a good film: "The Canadian Conspiracy", about how the entire Hollywood industry is run by Canada.

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Well, how often does Toronto stand in for New York or San Francisco - in TV programs if not movies?

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A few, plus Calgary, Vancouver etc.

But we all know it is not Candaians who run the Film industry. It's the aliens. The Zetas and the Greys are in conjunction to buy out Paramount and produce a accurate version of the Alien series where instead of a insectiod alien, it is actually a humanoid alien who bores the chartacters to death with prophesies of the future of the State of Kansas and why they make Crop Circles. .

But it was all part of a gigantic hoax by NASA and President Richard M. Nixon ...

So did Johnson, who oversaw most of the work, know about the alleged hoax? You gotta hand it to people who don't look carefully at the dates.

... according to the meticulously documented study.

Dark Moon not "meticulously documented". For example, the authors did not verify the story of "Una Ronald", although it was fairly easy for me and others to do. They did not trace the origin of the Surveyor III footage. In fact, reading Dark Moon I come across at least one major undocumented assertion in every section.

Further, they categorize the index, making it almost impossible to locate their discussion of any one point.

It wouldn't be so bad if the authors weren't so evasive about answering questions.

Information provided by American rocket scientist Bill Kaysing ...

He wasn't a "scientist" of any kind. He got his degree in English literature, and it's not surprising that he has chosen to make his living writing books.

... was employed at California's Propulsion Field Laboratory in the late 1950s

Notice how they never mention Rocketdyne, so that you can't verify his employment. However I tend to believe this is simply the typically sloppy reporting of WWN. The author of the story probably had only half an hour to write it.

... and worked on the prototype for Armstrong's Eagle landing craft.

Oh no he didn't.

Rocketdyne builds rocket engines. They don't build spacecraft. Grumman (in New York, not California) was the prime contractor.

The LM's ascent engine was built by Bell. Its steering jets were built by Marquardt. Rocketdyne was contracted to build the descent engine, but that contract was eventually canceled in 1965 in favor of an engine design from STL. LM configuration freeze occurred in 1963, the same time Kaysing left Rocketdyne. So he couldn't have worked on any kind of prototype because when he left Rocketdyne NASA had not yet decided what the lunar module was intended to actually do.

Rocketdyne assisted Bell in working out fluid flow instabilities in the ascent engine, but that is the limit of Rocketdyne's contribution to the lunar module.

NASA reportedly learned from CIA spies in 1958 that Soviet scientists had determined moon walkers would need thick lead suits to avoid fatal doses of radiation.

No, the Soviets were smarter than that.

Kaysing had a security clearance. He would have had to in order to be a publications analyst. And so it's easy for him to simply make up things he alleges to have seen, but which no other researcher can verify. Except in this case Kaysing tips his hand. We know that Soviet researchers knew about what kinds of radiation to expect in cislunar space, and unless the Soviet scientists were complete boneheads we can presume they understood that lead is a poor choice for shielding against that type of radiation.

But an English major wouldn't necessarily know that. He'd only know about "radiation" as a singular phenomenon. He wouldn't necessarily know that lead is useful as shielding only for certain types of radiation because he wouldn't necessarily know that different types of radiation existed.

And we have to wonder why a field lab at Rocketdyne -- a pretty specialized engine company -- would have a CIA report about human factors in cislunar space.

This particular story makes a whole lot more sense as a fabrication by Bill Kaysing than as the truth.

So plans for a real landing were called off, the authors contend.

So in 1958 the U.S. finds out that it's impossible to land on the moon. Yet Kennedy is allowed to publicly challenge the U.S. three years later to do it before the end of the decade. And Nixon, who won't be president until ten years after this revelation, is credited with the hoax despite the fact that his political arch-rivals run the show in the interim.

And Armstrong, along with fellow astronaut Buzz Aldrin, were sent to an area near Quebec to film some phony moon walking shots ...

Quebec is huge. "Near Quebec" doesn't make a lot of sense.

"I'd love to believe that our astronauts were the first men to walk on the lunar surface," another investigator told a radio show host after reading the book and conducting his own research.

Whaddya think? James Collier, or Ralph Rene?

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Who built the LLRV and LLTV? Was it Bell? I'm not trying to defend them, but maybe that's what they meant.

In addition, Nixon is the one who really tore the space program to shreds. If Nixon really ran the hoax, I would expect him to also have a Mars hoax or a lunar base hoax.



Well, Sibrel is too out of his gourd to say something like that, so I'd assume it was Rene. Who's Collier?



It used to be Area 51. [hoagland]That's where we keep all the aliens who built pyramids on Mars and made it resemble parts of Iraq and northern England. [/hoagland]



Quite a good point.

Who built the LLRV and LLTV? Was it Bell?

Yep, both. Rocketdyne had nothing to do with them.

I'm actually having an interesting conversation via e-mail with the historian at Dryden. Apparently they have very meticulous records left from the LLRV and LLTV flights. I'm trying to find the exact cause of Neil Armstrong's crash.

In addition, Nixon is the one who really tore the space program to shreds.

I think it's Burroughs who says Nixon really didn't like the space program because it reminded people too much of the Kennedy and Johnson years, which Nixon really wanted forgotten. Johnson supporters were naturally angry that Nixon seemed to get all the credit for it.

Well, Sibrel is too out of his gourd to say something like that, so I'd assume it was Rene. Who's Collier?

James Collier, conspiracy theorist author. He wrote Votescam: The Stealing of America and also produced the film Was It Only a Paper Moon?. The latter is mostly his commentary on the NASA PR film Nothing So Hidden, which Collier treats as primary -- not secondary -- material. Collier is the primary proponent of the "LRV won't fit inside the LM" argument. In other words, pretty clueless.

Here's my review of one of his articles.

http://www.clavius.org/bibcollier.html

It used to be Area 51.

The WWN article mentions Area 51 too, but there doesn't seem to be much point beating that dead horse. The Quebec reference seemed amusing.

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Supposedly, the folks in the offices next to the WWN have had to have them soundproofed due to the incessant peals of laughter coming from them. Methinks the writers at the WWN have a good drug connection...

I wouldn't doubt that. One month at the WWN, it is the moon landings were are hoax, then then next month it is that the astronauts discovered alien bases. Most recently moon story at WWN "Oil found on Moon! Gas prices will fall to 10cents a gallon as Arab oil becomes obsolete"

Another cranky story from the people who brought you batboy :roll:

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Speaking of Batboy, has anyone seen the Musical? I heard it was good.

California's Propulsion Field Laboratory? Sounds like they're trying to say NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). So are they just idiots not bothering to check the facts (we knew that), or trying to obfuscate by manipulating the name to throw off references (could be), or some other reason?

WeeklyWorldNews has long been an entertaining spoof news report. They deliberately skew facts to make them sound semi-credible, but anyone with half a brain can see that their just taking the number 1's (mickey).

Factual? No. But damn entertaining and it really unviels the kind of ill-informed hand waving you get from woo-woos. Not to mention the underpinning BartSibrel.

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Kaysing is a rocket scientist? Yes, and I'm the Queen.

It sounds to me like it's supposed to be owned and run by the State of California...But how many states - as opposed to nations - would own facilities like that?

Your Majesty, why don't you just order Kaysing beheaded? :wink:

Because of the Boston Tea Party???

Harald

Actually, the Dark Lord has served to inspire people like Percy who are a threat to British intelligence and security (they're making enemies of America) and so therefore the Queen can legitimately order the Dark Lord's execution.