Or they could be steel beams snapping as the building is getting ready to fall. Or are you going to just dismiss this possibility?

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>Or they could be steel beams snapping as the building is getting ready to fall. Or are you going to just dismiss this possibility?

No, I don't dismiss it. In fact, a lot of witness reports of "explosions" are undifferentiated from the collapse itself. Like I said, this is the hardest aspect of 9/11 CT imho. The rest is fairly easy...

I don't think they were calculated at all. They just aimed for the building. If it was calculated they would have been more similar in location. They may have been given general instructions such as aim for the lowest part or something but I doubt anything specific. Further bin Laden himself said he was surprised that the whole buildings came down. (That of course relies on a translation, since I don't speak arabic or farsi or whatever it was, but I haven't heard anybody claiming the translations were faked, just you know, bin Laden himself.)

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No problem. Give us links to the quotes and we'll respond.

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Okay, okay, Mr. Contractor...you can have an extension of time under clause 25 but forget the consequent direct loss and expense under clause 26 - I mean, hell, I thought it was obvious that the foundations went under the walls but there you go.....

...now, I need a clause 13A quote for C4 coated rebar, please.

>(i) Have you seen the computer models of the fire?

No...how do I know they aren't rigged though?

>(ii) What would you expect the fire to look like?

Red. Or orange, or yellow. This building in Spain actually managed to lose a few upper floors:

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>(iii) Have you correlated the supposed people

I understand what you are saying but why not just post some photos of the fire?

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How do you know the photos aren't rigged? How do you know that Jones' "evidence" isn't rigged?





To what extent have you considered the depth of the building, positioning of fires therein, and so on?

And why would the external face glow red?

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Okay, okay, Mr. Contractor...you can have an extension of time under clause 25 but forget the consequent direct loss and expense under clause 26 - I mean, hell, I thought it was obvious that the foundations went under the walls but there you go.....

...now, I need a clause 13A quote for C4 coated rebar, please.

Video fakery theories aren't popular even among the CT crowd. But, these theories have never been debunked, only ignored and/or slandered.

Check out here.

I'm using a 911 CT for the simple reason that he debunks that "no planes" "fake video" myths but is obviously still in the "Govt did it" camp. I'd note that this means that a lot of his claims (especially the first parts) need to be looked at more closely (for example this classic line "Examination of the CBS video shows that, ignoring the penthouse, the building collapsed entirely in under 7 seconds. An brick dropped from the height of the building's roof through a vacuum would have taken 5.9 seconds to reach the ground. Clearly, the structure of this building had been shattered to remove nearly all the resistance to its collapse." The fact the penthouse fell into the interior over 5 secs before the collapse shows that the interior structure was shattered and gone, duh! He does get close to reality a few times, but doesn't want to let go of his CT beliefs so often clearly contradicts the photos sitting right next to his statments.)

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Ahh, the good old days. That guy Ellsberg released classified government documents to the press, against federal law. He, a government employee, fed the confidential documents to the Washington Post. This year, the Pennsylvania ACLU celebrates the anti-government break-in of the FBI office in Media, PA in 1971. This group of lawyers praises the break-in of an FBI office! Lol. Business as usual for the politicos.

They couldn’t break into each other’s offices fast enough back in those days. No buildings blown up by the government, but there were buildings being blown up and people killed by the anti-government opposition, such as ROTC buildings, university buildings, military recruitment centers, etc. PG&E towers were being toppled by the anti-government people in California. Kidnappings, murders, armed robberies, etc., none done by the government. Not to mention the fact that Woodward and Bernstein were getting confidential information from government workers, telling them that their information would be kept confidential, then Woodward turned right around and fed the information to Mark Felt of the FBI! Lol. Remind me to never tell Woodward or Bernstein anything I want to keep secret.

But what does their movie show? Woodward and Bernstein being afraid for their lives as if the big ol’ bad government was going to do away with them like in the movie “Enemy of the State” and “Three Days of the Condor.” Lol. This is what started all this modern “conspiracy” baloney..... Hollywood. Excuse me if I’m not afraid of the government blowing up my office building or chasing me through the streets of New York and Washington.

Neither am I. Neither would I have been under Nixon, frankly. However, had Nixon decided he didn't like me--for whatever reason, apparently--there's not an aspect of my life under the government that would have been safe. They sure would've done their level best to screw up my disability claim, I can tell you that. (An audit of my back taxes wouldn't find anything. I've never made enough to make it worth my while to cheat.)

The part that's easy for you is motive, which again isn't at all what you should look at first. What's proving difficult for you, it seems, is evidence. Perhaps this should tell you something.

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Well, I’ll go along with that regarding those days. But that’s different from a big conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans in plane hijackings and building explosions.

My original point was that the lives of Woodward and Bernstein were NOT in danger, and in fact they were getting information from government people, including a high FBI official, in a political effort to topple Nixon. But the movie made it seem as if the government was “out to get” Woodward and Bernstein, rather than W&B and government people being out to get Nixon.

I’m not trying to justify things that Nixon did. I’m trying to point out that Hollywood can take the truth and twist it around and make a lot of people paranoid.

Looking at motives is useless in a scientific discussion, anyway. Motives are difficult to prove, difficult to disprove, and don't prove anything even if you DO prove one exists.

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I have to agree quite a bit, I think a lot of CT's only really understand the world from Hollywood's perspective. It goes further and deeper that just the obvious movies though. Look at Stargate: SG-1 for an example. Pyramids built by Aliens who controlled Earth and built our civilisation. Secret Covert US military operations. Hiding contact with Aliens, covering up alien attacks, black government ops groups (who then go rouge), secret spaceflight technologies and space program. It's really the entire bundle of CT bollocks. Yet it's in other programs too, and not just The X-Files and Millenium. Follow The Pretender and you'll find dark government sponsered groups conspiring to overthrow governments, cause plane crashes and worse. Roswell continues the Roswell crash myth and adds in the idea of evil Government men trying to hunt them down, as does Taken and The 4400. Even popular non-sci-fi has similar things, watch 24 for example, all of them have included some sort of inside job, and season 5 could have been right out of many of the 911 CT's handbooks.

I do believe, that perhaps while they haven't created the conspiracy theory as such, they do continually promote them in the popular media, and I expressed that in this thread a while back.

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Opps, wrong post on the wrong thread.

The only thing this pic shows is that fire is much more visible at night.

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What, like they start wearing make-up?

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Okay, okay, Mr. Contractor...you can have an extension of time under clause 25 but forget the consequent direct loss and expense under clause 26 - I mean, hell, I thought it was obvious that the foundations went under the walls but there you go.....

...now, I need a clause 13A quote for C4 coated rebar, please.

What, like they start wearing make-up?

No, they go from Black-Ops to Red-Ops..... sheeze do really I have to explain the entire workings of the super secret galatic Government to you?

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Enter the World of Athran

If reports are correct Bin Laden did give them general instructions on what to do. Two thirds up and try and get a corner. I have a foggy memory he had studied a little about building design.

Given you have inexperienced pilots in high stress, I suppose you could say they almost did pretty good (relatively speaking)

And I have seen the same interview when bin laden was surprised the buildings came down. Like most watching that day, he thought they would loose the top third or so