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Old 23-September-2006, 05:39 AM
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Default Moon landings: did the russian acknowledged it?

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I'm doing some research on the subject, and can't find any statement by sovietic government acknowleging the moon landings. Can someone point some news report or something like it? I know in1975 the crews of Apollo 18 and Soyuz made a rendezvouz in space. Is only that?
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Don't have any links but it was supposedly front page news.

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It actually wasn't called Apollo 18; it was called the Apollo Soyuz Test Project (ASTP).

Yes, the Soviets acknowledged the feat of Apollo 11- but only gave it brief mention (the bottom of the front page).

The Chinese did not mention it at all.
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And we even have the NASA shuttle landings live on the big screen at ESA. Cold War really had no charm.
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It actually wasn't called Apollo 18; it was called the Apollo Soyuz Test Project (ASTP).

Yes, the Soviets acknowledged the feat of Apollo 11- but only gave it brief mention (the bottom of the front page).

The Chinese did not mention it at all.
During the Trans-lunar coast, the crew of Apollo 11 were amused by reports that PRAVDA referred to Armstrong as 'the czar of the ship'

http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/history/...ranscripts.htm

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I'm doing some research on the subject, and can't find any statement by sovietic government acknowleging the moon landings.
The best thing to do when researching anything like this is go to a library and study newspapers of the time. Too many people expect to find everything they want on the internet and ignore the old ways of doing research, which are sometimes better.

I have a newspaper supplement published the day after the first landing which occurred at 8:17:40 am NZST on Monday 21 July 1969.

The Dominion Vol. 62, No. 253. Tuesday, July 22, 1969, Man on the Moon supplement, page 3:

Government leaders and newspapers all over the world hailed their feat. One exception was Moscow, which is being secretive about the mission of its own unmanned Luna 15 vehicle still orbiting the Moon.

The Soviet news agency Tass, in contrast to the mammoth coverage elsewhere, made only a brief mention of the American landing.


During the trans-lunar coast, Frank Borman (Apollo 8), who had recently been to the Soviet Union, telephoned the president of the Soviet Academy of Sciences, Dr Mstislav Keldysh, about Luna 15. "The result was a telegram which affirmed that the Luna's orbit would not interfere with the Apollo 11 mission." (The Invasion of the Moon, Peter Ryan, Penguin, 1969, page 90)

Have you looked up the chronology for July 1969 and later at Encyclopedia Astronautica? It might have something.
http://www.astronautix.com/chrono/19693.htm

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Cold War really had no charm.
Few, though, came to any harm.

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The best thing to do when researching anything like this is go to a library and study newspapers of the time. Too many people expect to find everything they want on the internet and ignore the old ways of doing research, which are sometimes better.
I live in Brazil, in a medium town from the south. I will make some research on the local library, but I doubt I will find something. Thanks for your advice.
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Hey Kiwi, nice post
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They have studied the moon rocks returned by the Apollo missions and have never said that the rocks were fakes.
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They have studied the moon rocks returned by the Apollo missions and have never said that the rocks were fakes.
But they studied those rocks while eating cake made from the wheat they were bribed with to keep quiet
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It actually wasn't called Apollo 18; it was called the Apollo Soyuz Test Project (ASTP).

Yes, the Soviets acknowledged the feat of Apollo 11- but only gave it brief mention (the bottom of the front page).

The Chinese did not mention it at all.

You'd have to look into a heap of Soviet or Communist papers of the time, but it would be better to stick to Apollo-11 and not Apollo-15 or Apollo-16 because even American public interest waned to the point where tv stations were receiving complaints that the Apollo coverage was interrupting repeats of the tv series "I Love Lucy." Also in 1969 the Soviet Union and Communist China were going through a serious rift, the split was so deep that it looked as if a possible Sino-Soviet thermonuclear war might breakout. It was soon to calm down and Nixon and Nissinger would later give political support to China against the Russians during the years 1970-1972. Other nations like Vietnam, India, Cuba, Yugoslavia et cetera would have also be described as communist stooges so watching Americans land on the Moon might not have been their number one priority.
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India, the world's largest demoracy, could not be described as a "communist stooge".

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I've got a copy of a Soviet space encyclopaedia, published early 1970s, that certainly gives Apollo credance. It was edited by Glushko, one of the chief designers of their space programme.
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I believe they acknowledged it in official circles, not as enthusiastically as some. But as I recall from that era, unoffically, didn't the Soviets start the whole moon-hoax CT ball rolling by preaching in whatever client-states or 3rd world countries that would listen that the landings were done in Hollywood? That slant on the moon landings is pretty commonly taken in a lot of undeveloped countries (& not a few developed ones) & it all traces back to Russian propaganda from the 70's.

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I believe they acknowledged it in official circles, not as enthusiastically as some. But as I recall from that era, unoffically, didn't the Soviets start the whole moon-hoax CT ball rolling by preaching in whatever client-states or 3rd world countries that would listen that the landings were done in Hollywood? That slant on the moon landings is pretty commonly taken in a lot of undeveloped countries (& not a few developed ones) & it all traces back to Russian propaganda from the 70's.
Directly refuted by the earlier posts. Apollo 11 was front page news in the USSR, scienceists from the USSR studied Apollo samples, and Russian popular books mentioned the Apollo missions.

Furthermore Neil Armstrong was invited to the USSR after his landings and in May 1970 presented a talk at the 13th annual conference of the International Committee on Space Research. He travelled to Leningrad and Moscow where he met Premier Alexey Kosygin. He was given a tour of the Yuri Gagarin Cosmonauts Training Center, and watched a telecast of the launch of Soyuz 9.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the Moon hoax originated in or was promulgated by the USSR in any shape or form.

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I have seen it mentioned (but have no first-hand evidence) that schools in Castro's Cuba taught (and may still teach) that the Moon landings were a hoax.

Anybody have any actual evidence for that?
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Truth is... they acknowledged the landings in exchange for lots of wheat...

exactly... wheat...

Please don't meantion that I told you this... I don't want to disappear in the middle of the night as so many others have who told the truth...
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Oh, if only they would . . . .
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Oh, if only they would . . . .
That was sooooooo harsh....
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