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Old 29-September-2006, 02:10 AM
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The Jesuits have been accused of every type of conspiracy.

And now the "Heliocentric" one!
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Old 29-September-2006, 03:23 AM
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I wonder if they'd be there if the Flat Earth folks' trailer with all of the proof hadn't burned down?
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Old 29-September-2006, 04:49 AM
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Tohu, would you please tell us your reason for starting this thread and the similar one in ATM? Do you think there is a anti-geocentric conspiracy? Are you trying to get attention for these websites? Or do you think this is nonsense? Are you presenting this to show how silly this is?

I would appreciate an answer. I asked a similar question previously, and I don't recall an answer.
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Yes, it's quite silly. Genuine conspiracies seem few and far between. Unfortunately history seems to have been dictated by those who think up silly conspiracy theories, when acted out in to physical reality by those who believe them.
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According to the Book of Genesis, the sun was not created until the 4th day. The earth was created FIRST and is the center of the universe.

Hundreds of verses refer to the sun as RISING and SETTING every day while not ONE verse ever refers to the earth as MOVING:

I think this quote from the site sums up why anyone would try and promote Geocentrism
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This bit is funny as well
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The moon is composed of some highly reflective material that acts like a mirror. The best guess is frozen water or ice
its like they want to forget everything that has been learned in the last 300 years!
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Old 29-September-2006, 09:12 AM
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On NASA footage they also claim the earth is rotating underneath the ISS, but that doesn't mean NASA implies ISScentrism.

(OK the earth is also rotating underneath the ISS, but I'm not talking about that 24 thing but just the 90 minutes thing; I do hope you get the point )

When not being extremely scientific, we tend to describe what we see rather than what is. It's rather weak to use that as evidence.
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This bit is funny as well

its like they want to forget everything that has been learned in the last 300 years!
boo-hoo, it's just so sad. Guessing what a surface might be after we already bunny-hopped over it, kicking up the dust and bringing it back to earth.

btw "frozen water or ice"

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Yes, it's quite silly. Genuine conspiracies seem few and far between. Unfortunately history seems to have been dictated by those who think up silly conspiracy theories, when acted out in to physical reality by those who believe them.
Ok, thanks for the response, Tohu.
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The one proof they do offer is that the earth has a BULGE at the equator which they claim is caused by the earth spinning around for BILLIONS of years. Here is another quote from the final authority:

"The centrifugal force of Earth's rotation makes the planet bulge at the Equator. Because of this, Earth has the shape of an oblate spheroid, being flatter near the poles than near the Equator. Correspondingly, one degree of latitude is longer in high latitudes than it is in low ones." (Britannica vol. 4, p. 320).

Ordinary mortals cannot see this bulge however as it is visible only to the editors of the Britannica articles.
That brought back a vague memory. Wasn't there a 19th century experiment that measured the oblateness of the Earth by comparing the periods of identical pendulums at a high latitude and at the equator?

Anyway, if you go to the main page of that site, it's a CT festival. It's all there- Moon Hoax, 9/11, nuclear tsunamis, vaccination woo- all the syndromism you can bear.

Oh, and he thinks that Alberto Gonzales is an agent of the Spanish Inquisition by virtue of being of Latino extraction.

Quite a find, Tohu
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Nuts, and here I thought we were finally going to have it out about the IAU's new planet definition
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btw "frozen water or ice"
Apparently there's yet another conspiracy out there that has everyone convinced that these two things are in fact the same, when they most certainly are not.
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Take the sun for example, the ancient Greeks said that the sun was only about 3.000.000 miles (4.828.032 km) from the earth. This was the number given by Ptolemy and the great Arab astronomer al-Battani. Even Copernicus in his book On the revolutions of the heavenly spheres gives the number at about 3.000.000 miles. The rotating earth people stuck a 9 in front of the 3 and with this mathematical sleight of hand we have a sun whose distance from the earth is exaggerated 90 times!!
Well at least their math is spot on.
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That website is a parody, right?
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That website is a parody, right?
Unfortunately, no. And looks similiar to www.cabotia.com. Are one of them ripoff of other? Or they are same people?
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1 look at that site, and what does my eye see?

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Heliocentric "astronomers" greatly exaggerate the size of the solar system and the universe. They make the universe so big that it cannot possible orbit the earth in 24 hours.
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True science is supposed to be based on observation. We see the array of stars wheeling around the earth approximately daily, and we motorize our telescopes to follow their steady motion. We see the sun rising and setting daily. We see the planets doing roughly the same thing, and we see the moon following them on a somewhat different schedule, all revolving around the earth as our eyes testify.
True science is about matching theory to observations -all observations- and does allow for grasping concepts such as relative motion and optical illusion.

I am eagerly awaiting their explanation as to how we manage to make craft fly towards the planets using this oh so very wrong scientific data...
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Why is it that none of these websites ever have a forum?

Answer: Because they're afraid of us!!
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True science is supposed to be based on observation. We see the array of stars wheeling around the earth approximately daily, and we motorize our telescopes to follow their steady motion. We see the sun rising and setting daily. We see the planets doing roughly the same thing, and we see the moon following them on a somewhat different schedule, all revolving around the earth as our eyes testify.
True science is about matching theory to observations -all observations- and does allow for grasping concepts such as relative motion and optical illusion.
Yeah this is the most specious argument of the Geocentrics, I think. Do they really think that if they all stood on the moon that their eyes would testify that the moon is moving and the earth isn't?

I've actually argued with one of them who, in between rants about how I worship dirt, kept insisting that the reason why Nasa didn't film the earth moving from the moon was because they couldn't due to the earth not moving
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Anyway, if you go to the main page of that site, it's a CT festival. It's all there- Moon Hoax, 9/11, nuclear tsunamis, vaccination woo- all the syndromism you can bear.

Oh, and he thinks that Alberto Gonzales is an agent of the Spanish Inquisition by virtue of being of Latino extraction.

Quite a find, Tohu
Don't forget the Rockefeller conspiracies, the idea that Clinton was the illegitimate son of Winthrop Rockefeller, stuff on the UN, Prohibition, etc. Ugh.
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Yeah this is the most specious argument of the Geocentrics, I think. Do they really think that if they all stood on the moon that their eyes would testify that the moon is moving and the earth isn't?

I've actually argued with one of them who, in between rants about how I worship dirt, kept insisting that the reason why Nasa didn't film the earth moving from the moon was because they couldn't due to the earth not moving
Has it *ever* occured to him that when he's driving his car on the highway, the gas station actually is not translating over the surface of the earth but stationary, no matter what his eyes tell him? Has it *ever* occured to him that his car is stationary around him, but would appear to be moving quite clearly when looking at it from the gas station?

Beyond debate. From where he is, I'm afraid the only way is down.
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