groan, please don't let that happen

"what is the temperature of it?"

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There is no dark side of the moon really, as a matter of fact it's all dark - Pink Floyd, The Dark Side Of The Moon

To all guys:
Guys I'm here to clarify myself. Now to hurt anyones feelings. But, it seems that NASA has their men here too, to keep us quite.

Baloney. I challenge you to identify any poster as some sort of NASA agent and provide even the slightest shred of evidence to back this statement up. Otherwise, this claim stands as nothing more than paranoid fantasy.

Moreover, this allegation doesn't even vaguely fit observed reality. How in the world is anyone "kept quiet" here? HBs have blathered on for literally dozens of pages quite freely. No one is suppressed for claiming that Apollo was faked. The only requirement is that you support your claims and not be excessively rude. And if NASA is so busy keeping people quiet, why are people like Percy, Sibrel, and White able to keep touting their bilge so freely?

I dont want anyone to believe what i believe, but i want them to be open as i am, open for new explainations.

I'm open to new explanations that make sense and conform to reality. Your "explanation" above did neither.

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"Slapping a guy on the head is just as funny now as it was eighty years ago."

Right;
The simple fact that people here are taking the time to read the explaination says that they are open to them. It's only after reading them and identifying the flaws, or un-convincing arguments, that they discount them.

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Numbers are not case sensitive. (me)

Tell me why. Tell me why I should risk exposing my computer to all sorts of nasty programs to watch what I'm morally certain will be more of the same sort of thing that we already know about and have debunked. Tell me what's new and different about it. "Watch the video" is not a convincing argument.

Um, galacsi was making a joke. Clearly.

What's the explanation? Note, don't tell me to watch the video. If you can't explain it in your own words, and explain in your own words why it makes sense, you're just taking someone else's word. Why do you trust them (Bart Sibrel, ye gods, apparently) but not NASA?

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

How is that 90% of the hoax believers that show up around the usual places show no evidence of independent thought? "All you Apollo nutters are brainwashed sheep. Here, watch this random video that for no particular reason I trust implicitly, and you'll start believing what I do instead."

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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

I met an HBer that claimed to be using independent thought, by not believing anything in mainstream media, and claiming that the US has also "bought out" media all over the world, not only for the purposes of the moon hoax, but also of foreign policies and relations.

Sad, really.

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I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid...and I went ahead anyway. - Crow T. Robot

Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

I think that many CTs believe that the US Govt just prints more money and gives it away whenever they feel like covering something up.

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Howling from the Shadows

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Wish that was true. I could use some.
And so could a few choice organizations.

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I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid...and I went ahead anyway. - Crow T. Robot

Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

But what's odd about that is that the truth of Apollo -- and decent coverage of any other science-related subject -- is all but non-existent on the "mainstream media." "Mainstream Media" is FOX TV specials and the (non)History Channel, USA Today and the tabloids. Mainstream Media reported the shuttle as traveling 17 times the speed of light!

If anything, mainstream media _supports_ Big Foot and Elvis sightings and pyramid power and all that other dreck. "Mainstream Media" appears to me to be more on the side of the HB's.

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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

I have to keep quite, not because i have started believing the "We have landed on the moon" HOAX, but because of other things u all know.

I'm still open to explanations from the believers of the moon landings, which could brain wash me for good.....

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Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.

Huh?

Look. Nobody has asked you to be quiet. We just asked you to not be rude. Nobody is talking about "brainwashing". We're talking about "brain using". Look up the evidence. Look at Clavius and read the BA's articles. Contrast these with the hysterical, ad-hom laden, smoke-and-mirrors, hand-waving nonsense on the "conspiracy theory" sites. Then make up your own mind.

I doubt anyone here is really interested in spending alot of time pursuing you given your bias, by which I refer to your "HOAX" in all caps.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

_khAttAm_ All I can ask is that you take a look at the video reviews that other posters here have referred to. They are reviews of the same vide that you linked and that I spent far too long getting access to and looking at.

The reviews explain exactly what is happening in the video and also, what was left out of the video you show.

In all, please feel free to talk and debate here, no one is trying to 'silence' you, just to tone down the personal nature of some elements of your posts. Everyone tries to be polite and respectful here.... even in some of the sillier threads.

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There we were in the park when suddenly some old lady says I stole her purse..... I chucked the professor at her but she kept coming..... So I had to hit her with this purse I found.
-- Bender

I have to keep quite,

No, you don't. You can keep on posting.

not because i have started believing the "We have landed on the moon" HOAX,

You are of course welcome to demonstrate your evidence for such a hoax.

but because of other things u all know.

Non sequitir. Collectively, we know a lot about Apollo, but why should that stop you from posting?

I'm still open to explanations from the believers of the moon landings,

Then why are you talking about not posting anymore?

which could brain wash me for good.....

No one here wants to brainwash you. If you are interested in learning something, however, we can help.

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"Slapping a guy on the head is just as funny now as it was eighty years ago."

Good grief..it usually takes longer than 6 posts before someone cries "persecution!"

Pete

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PJE

There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

What things do we know provide a reason for you to keep quiet?

The main things we have shown that we know are reasons why the moon theories are flawed. Is that really a reason to keep quiet?

Accepting the moon landings will not brain wash you, as you seem to imply.

Rather, with the right knowledge, it puts you above the level of those that propogate the hoax theories.

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I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid...and I went ahead anyway. - Crow T. Robot

Godspeed, John Glenn. - Scott Carpenter

And these atomic bombs that science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men that used them.
- H.G Wells, The World Set Free

To the conspiracy crowd, radiation is a big Boogey Man that inspires terror and death in all who encounter it. - JayUtah

Note to the Moderators: Please excuse me for burning up some bandwidth, but these images are evidence that directly addresses the OP's arguement.

Bart Sibrel's video argues that this television footage was made in low Earth orbit, rather than on the way to the Moon. The images of Earth, he claims, are either black cardboard with a round hole cut out, or a transparancy. Note right there that these are mutually exclusive - If he doesn't know, then he is just guessing without evidence. In fact, there is evidence, but it doesn't support either of Sibrel's conjectures.

Phantom Wolf has already pointed out that the behavior of the Earth images is in no way consistent with something attached to the window itself. I've been looking at the content of the Earth images.

As PW said, in the first day-and-a-half of the mission there were three live television transmissions from the Apollo 11 spacecraft,which showed the Earth out the window. At about the same time as each of these transmissions, the astronauts also photographed the Earth using a 70mm Hasselblad camera. These provide exceptionally high resolution images. Here are frame grabs from each of the three transmissions, with a photograph taken at about the same time for comparison.

Note that the cloud patterns match:

AS11-36-5341 (HR)

AS11-36-5366 (HR)

AS11-36-5373 (HR)

(Images courtesy of Earth Sciences and Image Analysis Laboratory, NASA Johnson Space Center.)

As you can readily see, the photographs show the whole planet with spherical shading rather than just a portion. In the hi-res versions you can see features - most of North America appears in all three images. Were these images prepared in advance and hung out the window to stage a hoax? This is a testable question. If this was an authentic transmission, and the TV transmission was going out live, and the hi-res photographs match the TV images, then the weather patterns visible in the photographs must match the local weather measured across the country at the time the images were taken.
So, do the weather patterns match?

Here is the precipitation map for the continental United States on July 17, 1969 (the date of the 2nd & 3rd transmissions):


Source: NOAA

Here is a cropped version of a hi-res scan of AS11-36-5373 showing North America:



Note that clouds in the photograph don't necessarily indicate rain, but rain on the map means that on that day there were clouds over that location.

The features I highlighted are:
A.) Summer monsoons over Arizona
B.) Rain over the Midwest
C.) Rain over western Canada
D.) A cold front moving down from Canada into the northcentral and northeastern US.
E.) Summer thunderstorms over the southeastern states*
F.) A separate storm cell over southern Florida
G.) A separate storm system over the Texas gulf coast.

The features match. The photographs and the live video from the spacecraft were definitely taken on the afternoon of July 17, 1969 and both cameras were a long, long way from low Earth orbit.

*I experienced this storm personally. After viewing the launch, my family drove from Florida up to Savannah, Georgia (where we visited relatives) and then proceeded to Tennessee. I had lived on the west coast my whole life, and this was my first experience with a real thunderstorm. It was most impressive. By the time we got to Tennessee, the weather had cleared. I remember looking at the Moon and imagining I could see the spacecraft.

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Count Zero - sheer, utter brilliance. Bravo!!

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher